OT: TV Shows.

[nuraman00]

What TV shows or movies do you enjoy watching?

Several of us like to watch "Breaking Bad", so we end up having a game thread "show thread" for the new episodes, and a 10-50 post discussion afterward.

IowaSacKing93 also does the same for Seinfeld. He's currently on Season 6.

[ctba]

What TV shows or movies do you enjoy watching?

Several of us like to watch "Breaking Bad", so we end up having a game thread "show thread" for the new episodes, and a 10-50 post discussion afterward.

IowaSacKing93 also does the same for Seinfeld. He's currently on Season 6.

Dexter just started again. Homeland was a very good first episode.

[ctba]

SO I have a theory on what is going to happen on the next Breaking Bad after last week.s

[PackfanMatt_12]

I like:
NCIS
NCIS:LA
Survivour
Psych
The Mentalist
The League

[IowaSacKing93]

You were right about Salamanca nuraman00!!!

[IowaSacKing93]

HOLY FUCK. That was epic.

[Blood Brother]

ABout to watch the season finale of Breaking Bad. Can't wait

[IowaSacKing93]

You won't be disappointed. If you include a spoiler make sure to mention that, for those who haven't seen the episode yet.

[nuraman00]

Starting Breaking Bad episode "Face Off" now.

[nuraman00]

Heisenberg is running back to the car he placed the explosive? Is he stupid?

I guess he has to try and remove it, though. If Gus managed to extract the explosive from the car (probably by having one of his henchmen remove it), and if Gus then had it dusted for fingerprints, he'd find out that Heisenberg planted it. And then Heisenberg would have a monster target on him.

[nuraman00]

Classic Jesse train of thought when under durress: "I just saw it on the Discovery Channel . . . sometimes your brain just makes these connections".

[nuraman00]

Whose car is Walt driving, as he's going back to his house? It's not his normal red Chrysler Aztec.

[nuraman00]

IowaSacKing93, it looks like one of my "Crazy Thoughts" about Don Salamanca helping Heisenberg and Jesse might happen.

Let's see what happens in the old folks' home, where Don Salamanca resides.

[nuraman00]

Well, based on those past 20 seconds, Mark Margolis is adding another feather in his cap, as to why he should be nominated for an emmy, for playing Don "Tio" Salamanca. And he does this without saying a word.

[nuraman00]

So what's going to happen to Heisenberg's plan, if it's Tyrus that kills Don Salamanca, instead of Gus himself? I guess Heisenberg knows that Gus would eventually show up to the old folks' home at some point, to gloat (even if Don Salamanca were already assassinated).

[nuraman00]

Ok, now I see that Heisenberg is driving a white car. Again, I can't recall whose car that is.

I suppose Heisenberg could have just paid cash, and bought a new car, because he felt unsafe to drive the red Chrysler Aztec.

[nuraman00]

Tyrus: I think it's better if I do this myself.

Gus: I do this.

+++++++++++++

Powerful statement by Gus.

[nuraman00]

In "Bug", Gus faced his adversary, the cartel, and dared them to shoot. Just like Schwarzenegger did the same, at the end of Predator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOoOP2l_ahQ

Continuing with the Schwarzenegger theme, Heisenberg turned Gus into The Terminator (in terms of appearance)!


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[nuraman00]

So do you think it's realistic, that a professional henchmen like Gus, missed the explosive on Don Salamcanca's wheelchair? Would/Should Tyrus' metal detector have picked it up?

[nuraman00]

So Jesse didn't have a broken arm? He's now using an axe to smash the barrels.

EDIT: Ok, I get the line now.

Jesse is reaching for a possible item to be used as a weapon, and is not performing the next steps in cooking.

The henchman then threatens Jesse: "You want to cook with a broken arm? Next step: CO2. Do it."

So he was threatening Jesse with a broken arm, not asking Jesse if he wanted to continue cooking with a broken arm.

[nuraman00]

So Heisenberg tricked a henchmen to let him ride the freight elevator down to the lab? I guess he paid the security henchmen off? And the security henchmen didn't get suspicious, considering that it should have been well known, that Heisenberg was fired? Shouldn't it have been also well known that Gus wanted Heisenberg dead too? So shouldn't they have tried to kill Heisenberg too, when he walked into the lab? I guess they couldn't have killed him near the laundry facility, there would have been too many witnesses.

What about the two henchmen that were in Heisenberg's home? Why didn't they follow him out to the old folks' home? Why didn't they know Heisenberg was going to the lab? How is Heisenberg going to avoid them? Even if they knew Gus was dead, they'd still have some loyalty to carry out his orders, right? Or would they just answer to a new boss?

Do you think Heisenberg killed them too?

What about Mike? We haven't seen him since the beginning of "Crawl Space".

[nuraman00]

Classic Vince Gilligan Camera Shot Alert: The liquid coming out of the barrels is spraying onto the cameras. The cameras are positioned so horizontally so that the liquid splashes on the camera lens.

Classic Vince Gilligan Camera Shot Alert: When Heisenberg and Jesse are disrobing, we see them do that from underneath the grate that they are standing on.

Classic Vince Gilligan Camera Shot Alert: Right before the fire in the lab is ignited, we see the fire ignite from underneath that metal wire loop.



So what was the exact chemical process that ignited the fire? What was in those barrels, and how is that used in conjunction with the metal wire loop that's taped down and dangling to the ground?

[nuraman00]

Doesn't Gus have security cameras monitoring the lab? Does that also apply to the laundry facility? If so, couldn't a cop get a hold of the security to the laundry facility, and see that Walt and Jesse were there, when the fire started?

[nuraman00]

You won't be disappointed. If you include a spoiler make sure to mention that, for those who haven't seen the episode yet.

Or, you can use the spoiler tags.

The good Heisenberg appeared in this episode.

Syntax:

[spoiler]INSERT TEXT HERE [/spoiler (add last bracket).

[nuraman00]

You were right about Salamanca nuraman00!!!

Thanks. :)

I was also right that it wasn't Gus that poisoned Brock, but rather Heisenberg, because he needed to manipulate Jesse into teaming up with him.

Remember when I said that when Heisenberg spun the gun a few times, the last time it pointed at a flower, and that's what gave him the idea to use poison?

[nuraman00]

So did Huell steal the ricin cigarette from Jesse, to make Jesse think he lost the cigarette (and then that would send Jesse running to Mr. White, asking him about the ricin)?

How else could Heisenberg have taken Jesse's cigarette, to make Jesse realize that he lost it? When Huell was patting down Jesse at Saul's office, that's the only time I think it could have been done.

[nuraman00]

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-post-mortems-season-4


Vince Gilligan interview article below.


Article in the spoiler button. Part I.




Interview: 'Breaking Bad' creator Vince Gilligan post-mortems season 4

On Gus, Tio and what exactly happened with that cigarette



By Alan Sepinwall Monday, Oct 10, 2011 2:08 AM



Interview: 'Breaking Bad' creator Vince Gilligan post-mortems season 4



"Breaking Bad" just ended its fourth season in memorable fashion. You can read my review of the season finale here (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/breaking-bad-face-off-say-uncle), and I spoke with the show's creator, Vince Gilligan, about everything that went down and some of his plans for the series' final 16 episodes, all coming up just as soon as I spend time in an electrician chat room...

We have to start at the ending, with that shot of the Lily of the Valley plants in Walt's backyard. This is a very, very bad thing he's done, isn't it?

Yes it is. Walt has come a long way in 46 episodes, that is for sure. But he had a reason for doing it. As bad as it is, my personal take on it is that it was not about murdering a child. It was about making a child very sick but making it seem, more importantly, to Jesse that a child who was very close to him had been poisoned with Ricin. To our way of thinking, it was a very cold-blooded and yet pragmatic way of getting Jesse back in Walt's sphere of influence. It was a very big gamble that Walt was taking, to essentially make Jesse think he had poisoned this child, so Jesse would come to him, ostensibly to kill him, but then to ultimately hear him out and get back on Walt's side. It was a very big gamble that could have ended in Walt getting his head blown off by Jesse, but also a very, very dark secret that goes pretty much hat in hand with the secret that Walt keeps from Jesse about Jane - his guilt about Jane's death. Walt's a pretty bad guy these days, but as usual, everything he does, he does for a very specific reason, cold-blooded though it may be.

I want to get into the mechanics of the plan that Walt hatched. A big deal is made in the previous episode about the chain of custody of the ricin cigarette. What happened to it?

I think Jesse had the right idea. I think it was lifted off him by Huell. When he comes to Walt in the previous episode, and Walt asks how on earth would he could have done it, and Jesse says, "The big man mountain security guard of Saul's just had to see me, and he pats me down. You got him to get it off of me." So having done that, he could've just flushed it in the toilet, because as we find out, the child wasn't poisoned with ricin, he was poisoned with something else.

And Walt was somehow able to get access to Brock, to give him the berries.

Yeah. That part's probably the trickiest part. I can't remember the specifics, but we worked it out in the writer's room. He technically had enough hours to do it. How he found his way over there unseen is probably a little improbable, perhaps, but not impossible, is the way we figured it.

Well, one of the things I found interesting was that even earlier in the episode, before we find out about the Lily of the Valley plant, there's the scene where Walt goes to the house, and he sends his neighbor in, basically as the canary in the coal mine. So there's a couple of points in the episode where Walt is risking innocent civilian lives to protect himself.

That's true. And by the way, the little old lady next door is my mom. (laughs)

Was that bit there to set up the idea that Walt has already moved past that point, so it'll perhaps be a little bit less out of character when you then see the Lily of the Valley shot at the end?

Yeah, I think so. Walt has been a dark guy for a while, but he's definitely darker than he's ever been.

What exactly causes Gus's incident of Spidey-sense in the parking garage that keeps him from going to the car?

I think with that, he finds out in the previous scene in the chapel, he knows his lynchpin remaining meth cook is acting up, and hears this child's in the hospital, figures he has to go talk to the kid, get him right with Jesus, get him cooking, despite what's going on in his personal life. I think his Spidey-sense is all about the way Jesse looks at him in the chapel when he says the little boy's not sick, he was poisoned. That in and of itself sounds strange and sounds too coincidental not to be somehow involved with Walter White. I think his Spidey-sense keys off of Jesse's strange behavior in this hospital chapel.

Well, watching that episode, you have set all of us up to believe what Jesse believes, which is that Gus has poisoned him. It definitely makes more sense from the perspective we have now, but at the time, we don't quite know that.

I think it works on both levels. At the time, if you believe that Gus did indeed poison the little boy, then what you'd assume if you were Gus, when you get this kid alone and he says the little boy has been poisoned - then Gus is too smart to say, "Who do you think poisoned him?" But he's assuming Jesse will say, "I think Mr. White did it." But because Jesse never says who did it, or who he thinks, that's another reason for Gus's Spidey-sense, as it were, to tingle.

How hard was it to say goodbye to Giancarlo Esposito, and to Mark Margolis as Tio? The story had reached a point where they had to go, but was that hard for you as a writer and producer of the show?

Very hard. We knew months and months ago how we were going to end the season, so I called up both of those gentlemen and told them 5 or 6 episodes in advance and of course swore them to secrecy. It was tough. Having that conversation with Giancarlo was tough, I felt I was letting him down somehow, but he was an absolute gentleman and a mensch. He said, "It sounds like a fun episode. Whatever you've got to do for the story, man. I'll miss being here, but do what you gotta do to tell your story." But it's tough. It's like ripping off your own hand or something, because these guys are an integral part of the show. But as you yourself just said, it was time. In the sense of the old "Highlander" movie, there can be only one. I think we got to the point where the town wasn't big enough for the both of them.

And if the goal is to ultimately have Walt become Scarface, you can't have Scarface's boss around anymore.

Exactly. At a certain point, you have to kill off Robert Loggia so Al Pacino can rise to prominence.

But on the other hand, you conveniently left Mike recuperating in Mexico. Have we seen the last of Mr. Banks?

I don't think we've seen the last of Mr. Banks. By the way, in keeping with the fact that people may die but don't completely leave us on "Breaking Bad," I would say that while we don't necessarily have plans for it at the moment, I can't imagine us getting through another 16 episodes of "Breaking Bad" without seeing Gus or Tio again in some flashback or another. I would hope, because it was just so much fun having those guys on the show. We historically do that: we bounce back and forth through time. I don't know why we couldn't do that again. But as far as Mike, you're right. Mike's still alive and kicking again down in Mexico, and I imagine we'll see him again next season.

Next season is 16 episodes, it sounds like they'll air over two years. How are you planning it out? Are you going to insert a specific break point around episode 8, 9 or 10?

I think so. It sounds to me like the thinking on the part of AMC is to split it into two seasons. So we'll try to have a proper cliffhanger, I would think, at the end of the first 8. Which I don't think would be too tough for us, because we try to do a cliffhanger more or less with everything we do. We try to play each one like it's our last as much as we possibly can. Hopefully, that won't be too tough.

[nuraman00]

Vince Gilligan interview article below.



Article in the spoiler button. Part II.






That's another thing that occurred to me. By the time the negotiations came down to the wire, it was clear you were either going to continue on AMC or go to another network, but there was a chance when you were writing this episode that it might be the last episode of the show ever. Would you have been comfortable with Walt on the parking deck and then the shot of the White backyard being the end of the series, if it had come to that?

I think I personally would have been, yes. I think an argument could be made that the end of episode 13 of season 4 is, in essence, everything - but one thing, perhaps - that we promised the viewer, or implied to the viewer from day one, which is the idea of taking Mr. Chips and turning him into Scarface. Walt is pretty much as bad as one could imagine at the end of episode 413. There are two big questions left wanting for answers: one is what is the state of Walt's cancer, and the other is what about Hank? Will Hank ever figure out who Walter White truly is? Those would be the only really, for my money, big questions left outstanding. If for some reason a meteor hit the earth or something and then episode 413 was the last episode we were ever gonna do, I would feel pretty good except for those two being the only outstanding questions. However you slice it, I feel fortunate that we've got 16 more. I'm happy about that.

There's also the question about how Jesse will be if or when he finds out about Brock, about Jane, and about all the things Walt has done to him and the people he cares about.

Well, you're right. (laughs) Now that you say that, I can think of a few other outstanding questions. But having said that, something feels satisfying on some level to me about the way 413 ends, so if we had to end it there, I don't think it would be a terrible tragedy. But having said that, I've got a lot more I want to do with the show, so I'm proud to have 16 more episodes to play with.

Getting back to Walt's cancer, you're not going to tell me if it's back or not, and I don't want to know. But Bryan was coughing an awful lot in the last few episodes, which brings to mind the fact that much earlier in the season, Mike was coughing a lot for a while. I've been trained watching years of TV that there's no such thing as a coincidental cough. Was this a coincidental cough?

(Laughs)

Did Jonathan Banks just have a cold at the start of production?

(Laughs) You know what? I don't know quite how to answer that. I hate to sound coy, but sometimes there are coincidences and other times there aren't. I have to let that one pass unremarked, so as not to give too much away.

Well, that brings to mind something that became a running gag on the blog this year. Every little element of the show started being compared to the Chekhov's gun theory: Chekhov's throw rug, Chekhov's Ricin cigarette, Chekhov's .38 snub. You plant these things and then you pay them off later on. How far in advance do you have to work to introduce those things?

The one with the rug, not so very hard, because it was all contained within one episode. But the Ricin cigarette, for instance - the short answer is, we try whenever we possibly can, we prefer the long set-up versus the short one. It pleases us. It satisfies us as writers when we can play a very deep game, and play it as many moves ahead as possible. To that end, setting up Tio as Gus's nemesis, that we didn't realize how deep their enmity towards each other was, we started that in earnest this season with episode 8. That was a pretty good lead time, five episodes ahead. But some part of me wishes it had been deeper still, maybe another season before that. Although you kind of get hints the very first time Tio meets Gus along with the Cousins, that the old bastard does not care for Gus.

And also in the flashback in "One Minute," he clearly has a low opinion of "the Chicken Man."

That's true. So we're proud of playing that long game. Sometimes, the game looks like it's been played longer than it truly has. As you just said, that flashback in "One Minute," I don't think we were thinking back then about how Gus and Tio would meet their demise. But we looked back over everything we'd done and we knew there was no love lost between those guys from day one when they first met. We realized we could build on that reality, and add to it and amplify it. The audience realized that these guys don't just dislike each other, they loathe each other. The deep game we try to play, sometimes it feels a little deeper than it truly is. Sometimes, we look around, see where we are and realize fortuitous bits of happenstance that we can build on.

Who was it, and how long ago was it, that came up with the idea that Tio's bell would detonate the bomb that would kill Gus?

In the writers room, it really is a group mind, and you often forget who came up with what. Though I will say in this instance I think it was me. I will take a little executive privilege here. I loved the idea of Tio dinging that bell and blowing up Gus. I think we talked about that at the very beginning of the season, and then we shelved it for a while, and then we came back to it.

This is the first time where I can think a Walter White plan actually worked. Pretty much every other time he's plotted to kill somebody, something's gone wrong, he's had to improvise and kill them at the last minute. This all went to form, at the same time that Walt has, as you say, gone to a very, very dark place. Thematically, is that a coincidence? Or is it deliberate in your mind that Walt could only succeed at that level when he becomes this evil?

That's a very interesting question. I hadn't really thought of it in those terms. This world that he finds himself in, he doesn't find himself in this world by accident. He has made a conscious decision, starting in the very first episode of season one, to be a criminal, to be a bad guy and to live on the wrong side of the law. A guy as smart as Walt should realize pretty quickly that you don't play with fire and not get burned. What's the best way to put this? I'm hoping that when people watch this, they'll think this is the lost episode of the Roadrunner and the Coyote where the Coyote actually gets the Roadrunner. I guess it's a good argument you make: the darker Walt goes, the more chance he has of competing on a level playing field with Gustavo Fring. I hadn't thought of it in those terms, but I guess there is truth to that. This is yet another section of the very dark path he has long ago chosen to tread. So it's nothing new in one sense. In one sense, he's gone very dark indeed, but in another sense, this is the same path he's been on for quite a long time. It starts to feel somewhat inevitable, to me at least, that he would go this dark.

(Our phone interview ended here, but I had one e-mailed follow-up later.)

You've kept certain story points about what Walt is up to from viewers before (like Jesse still being in Albuquerque after Walt killed the drug dealers in "Half-Measures"), but never something this big, for this long. This is, if not a complete departure from your narrative style, definitely outside the norm, which is that we see Walt during everything interesting he's doing and know what he's up to. Why did you choose to tell this part of the story this way, as opposed to, say, letting us know from the start that Walt poisoned Brock and was manipulating Jesse?

I think it's because there's no bigger reveal than the fact that Walt would poison a child (albeit to save his own life and the lives of his family). That's the moment that truly makes him no better than Gus. Simply put, it seemed wise to me to save Walt's deepest, darkest secret until the very end.

Having said that, the lily of the valley is hinted at in episode 412 the week before. Walt sits by his pool, waiting to die. He spins his pistol twice in a row, and both times the muzzle winds up pointed straight at him. Is this fate telling him to shoot himself? But then, on the third spin, the muzzle points at the nearby lily of the valley. This, to me, is the moment that Walt begins to get his bold (and reprehensible) idea of poisoning Brock. Divine -- or devilish -- inspiration? Who knows?

[ctba]

That was a good last episode. I really thought they would have left Gus alive but really fucked up somehow kind of like Tio and then would have Walt visiting him and taunting him

[IowaSacKing93]

Yeah, not sure about the cars. It didn't seem like a big deal (there was no mention of it) so we should probably assume that he just bought a new car for safety.

I liked how Gus said Salamanca's legacy would be that of 'a crippled little rata (rat)'. Salamanca might have been an ass in his younger days and just a grumpy old man in the retirement home, but atleast he left with a bang.

Did you like the scene right after the explosion? Gus walked out of the room, and he seemed fine (we only saw the right side of his head) and then the camera switched to a frontal view, and we saw the damage the bomb had done.

I was thinking 'no way, how did Gus manage to come out unscathed', and just a few seconds later we found out that just how badly he was injured.

I think it's somewhat unlikely that Tyrus or Gus hadn't spotted the bomb, but we never did see him check the wheelchair, and honestly, Tyrus nor Gus could have predicted Salamanca to basically act as a suicide bomber lol, which is what happened. They underestimated the crippled old rata.

[IowaSacKing93]

The writers really played with the audience too. I really thought that Hector was going to spill the beans to the DEA, but obviously in the grand scheme, it was just part of Heisenberg's plan (knowing that Gus would take the bait).

We never saw Salamanca agree to work with Heisenberg, but that's just part of his legacy.

Ok, so I wonder what season 5 has in store. Gus and Tyrus are dead, Mike seems to be out of the picture, as does the cartel. Something will come up, but what? And can it top this ending? Maybe Jesse finds out about Walter poisoning Brock? But that seems farfetched and even if he did find out, would it be something to cover a whole season? Maybe Hank finds out about Walter?

[Blood Brother]

Fitting shot of Gus right before his death. Jesse likened him to the character "the terminator" earlier this season. It was during the scene where that cartel member was shooting and Gus just kept walking as bullets were being fired by him

Wonder what direction they go in season 5. So many possibilities.

[GoKings2010]

Wat I missed the season finale?? Someone needs to send me a link of where I can see it please. Wats up fellas =] THis is already alot better than espn`s stupid shit.

[ctba]

I think somehow next season is going to be Walt trying to throw off his brother in law. I think next season is when his brother in law figures out the Walt was Heisenberg this whole time.

[nuraman00]

In "Bug", Gus faced his adversary, the cartel, and dared them to shoot. Just like Schwarzenegger did the same, at the end of Predator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOoOP2l_ahQ

Continuing with the Schwarzenegger theme, Heisenberg turned Gus into The Terminator (in terms of appearance)!


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Fitting shot of Gus right before his death. Jesse likened him to the character "the terminator" earlier this season. It was during the scene where that cartel member was shooting and Gus just kept walking as bullets were being fired by him

Wonder what direction they go in season 5. So many possibilities.



Yeah, I mentioned that while Jesse likened Gus to "The Terminator", Gus' actual dialogue and attitude in that scene with the cartel was closer to Predator, IMO. The defiance was just like Schwarzenegger against Predator, while the movement was similar to The Terminator. I have a clip of the Predator scene, in the first quote.



Gus death visually looked like Terminator though. See the above image of The Terminator (attachment 5), and then now Gus:

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[nuraman00]

The writers really played with the audience too. I really thought that Hector was going to spill the beans to the DEA, but obviously in the grand scheme, it was just part of Heisenberg's plan (knowing that Gus would take the bait).



I knew Hector wasn't going to talk to the DEA. How could Hector talking to the DEA help kill Gus? If Hector told the DEA who Gus was, then the DEA wouldn't kill Gus, they'd arrest him. So I saw that Don Salamanca talking to Hector was just a ploy to lure Gus.

Plus, remember the obstacle with trying to kill Gus was to get him somewhere where there were no cameras, or somewhere where he wouldn't see it coming. That's what the old folks' home provided.

And again, if Don Salamanca had confessed to knowing something about Gus, then Salamanca might be in trouble too, and he might implicate himself too.

Plus, I was pretty sure Don Salamanca was going to help Heisenberg. Because he did hate Gus more than Walter White. And again, actually saying something to the DEA would attract more attention, whereas Don Salamcanca needed to create a situation where he attracted less attention. Being left alone in his room was a situation where he would be isolated for a while, especially from the nurses.

[IowaSacKing93]

I knew Hector wasn't going to talk to the DEA. How could Hector talking to the DEA help kill Gus? If Hector told the DEA who Gus was, then the DEA wouldn't kill Gus, they'd arrest him. So I saw that Don Salamanca talking to Hector was just a ploy to lure Gus.

Plus, remember the obstacle with trying to kill Gus was to get him somewhere where there were no cameras, or somewhere where he wouldn't see it coming. That's what the old folks' home provided.

And again, if Don Salamanca had confessed to knowing something about Gus, then Salamanca might be in trouble too, and he might implicate himself too.

Plus, I was pretty sure Don Salamanca was going to help Heisenberg. Because he did hate Gus more than Walter White. And again, actually saying something to the DEA would attract more attention, whereas Don Salamcanca needed to create a situation where he attracted less attention. Being left alone in his room was a situation where he would be isolated for a while, especially from the nurses.

I was just so caught up in the episode that I didn't stop to think 'is this making sense having Salamanca talk to DEA'. I was even disappointed when he kept spelling out 'SUCK MY' and 'FUC' because I was expecting something legitimate. But you're right, that way the nurses would have left him alone for awhile.

[nuraman00]

I was just so caught up in the episode that I didn't stop to think 'is this making sense having Salamanca talk to DEA'. I was even disappointed when he kept spelling out 'SUCK MY' and 'FUC' because I was expecting something legitimate. But you're right, that way the nurses would have left him alone for awhile.

I admit, I was disappointed when he started spelling out "FUC". Because that was the 2nd time he was going to make a useless statement. 1st time was fine for laughs, but with the second time, I was actually hoping for something.

[IowaSacKing93]

Looks like we have a Djokovic fan on our hands nuraman00. Get your machine gun, crossbow, and 2 liter jug of moldy dark urine out.

[IowaSacKing93]

I admit, I was disappointed when he started spelling out "FUC". Because that was the 2nd time he was going to make a useless statement. 1st time was fine for laughs, but with the second time, I was actually hoping for something.

Also, it took quite a while for those words to be spelled out, so there was suspense that was built. So it was a waste of a few minutes really. But even if it was a 'simple plan' constructed by Heisenberg, it was still something necessary to show (and then to show Tyrus at the DEA Building noticing Salamanca leaving, at that point we knew that Gus was going to take the bait for sure).

[ctba]

Looks like we have a Djokovic fan on our hands nuraman00. Get your machine gun, crossbow, and 2 liter jug of moldy dark urine out.

Anybody but Nadouche and Fagderer

[nuraman00]

With respect to the 5th Season of Breaking Bad, Mike is the wild card.

1. Will Mike work with the DEA to try and help Hank find Heisenberg? He could set up Heisenberg for Hank.

2. Will Mike work with Jesse, and manipulate him into teaming up against Heisenberg, for something?

3. If Heisenberg is the new drug lord of New Mexico, will Mike be his lead man?

4. Will Mike be working with Heisenberg in some other capacity?

Other possible storylines, other than the main one where Hank keeps getting closer to finding out about Heisenberg:

A. Jesse starts to find out about what Heisenberg did to Jane and/or Brock, and it becomes Jesse vs. Heisenberg. I hope this doesn't happen.

B. Car wash and/or the White family gets audited.

C. Jesse is Heisenberg's lead man, as Heisenberg is the new drug lord of New Mexico. Jesse is the lead chemist and henchman too (wow, that's a huge role).

D. Heisenberg has to protect his family against new potential assailants.

E. Something from Gus' Chilean past appears in Heisenberg's world, and it causes conflict.

F. At the end of the series, Heisenberg gets confined to a wheelchair, just like Don Salamanca.

[nuraman00]

Anybody but Nadouche and Fagderer

ctba (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?6-ctba), take my lucky cigarette. It's the one that's upside down.

[nuraman00]

One thing I just noticed, is that Heisenberg didn't mean to save Jesse, down at the superlab. Jesse was actually surprised to see Walt.

Heisenberg only went to the superlab, to burn it down. The fact that Jesse was there, made it look like Heisenberg came there to save Jesse. But Heisenberg didn't know Jesse would be there, he only went there to destroy the evidence of the lab.

[nuraman00]

We haven't seen the Heisenberg Hat in a while, I think since the episode "Shotgun". I'm surprised we didn't see it in the finale.

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One poster called the Lilly Of The Valley:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/end-times,62390/#comment-325469992


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The more I think about the more I'm inclined to believe Walt is responsible for the poisoning The scene you described is the key clue. My guess on the plant is Lily of the Valley. Here's an image of what it looks like potted http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com... (http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/82681-product.html) as the generic images don't quite match the plant from the episode.

This is the next step in Walt's transformation into Heisenberg. It fits with the disparity in Jesse and Walt's partnership. He killed Jane to protect himself, and after the near insane breakdown in Crawl Space, I can't put anything past him.

Yeah, Walt's guilty.



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[IowaSacKing93]

Wow, nice find nuraman00.

Ok I'm going to pick up on Seinfeld again, starting with (S6 E4). I can't remember if you said this was a great episode or not, but I know there is a great one coming up.

[IowaSacKing93]

The 'weird person in this Seinfeld episode is Paul; who always chit-chats on the phone about boring stuff, even when someone is asking for Noreen.

We see Elaine using a hair dryer whilst calling (her excuse is that she's using a car phone and doesn't have much time) but Noreen isn't home and her plan fails LOL. Great scene.

[nuraman00]

The 'weird person in this Seinfeld episode is Paul; who always chit-chats on the phone about boring stuff, even when someone is asking for Noreen.

We see Elaine using a hair dryer whilst calling (her excuse is that she's using a car phone and doesn't have much time) but Noreen isn't home and her plan fails LOL. Great scene.

LOL. That's actually a clever attempt to get out of talking to someone.

[IowaSacKing93]

Both Paul and Dan were good guests on the show (I only say guests because I don't expect them to see as recurring, but since Noreen has now appeared in 2 episodes, we might see on or the other again).

Elaine's ex-boyfriend ("the couch") didn't have much character. Of course he was a dreamy and perfect guy according to Elaine, but the only 'quirky' thing about him was that he was pro-life while Elaine is pro-choice. This only came into play late in the episode, and there wasn't a big, controversial scene about it.

But the episodes that I watched last night (4-7, part of 8) were all great! Hopefully season 6 keeps it up!

[IowaSacKing93]

E8 was okay, but nothing special. So what did Tim Watley have against Jerry? I didn't quite get that. And we never saw Jerry confront the Mom and Pop in New Jersey!

Does Watley only make appearances in S6? I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

[nuraman00]

E8 was okay, but nothing special. So what did Tim Watley have against Jerry? I didn't quite get that.

We don't know the exact reasons. Just that Whatley didn't want Jerry at his party.

They have a decent relationship in some future episodes (but Jerry is angry at some of the things that will happen).


And we never saw Jerry confront the Mom and Pop in New Jersey!

Even though Jerry didn't confront Mom and Pop, you might have missed some of the subtleties of the ending. The ending was paying homage to the Jon Voight movie "Midnight Cowboy", which was referenced earlier.

There were also other references sprinkled earlier.

But especially the last two lines.

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http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheMomAndPopStore.html



GUY ON PHONE: Hello, is this Jerry Seinfeld?

JERRY: Yes it is.

GUY ON PHONE: You don't know me, but a really strange thing happened. I was at a garage sale, and this old couple sold me a used pair of sneakers they claimed belonged to Jerry Seinfeld, the comedian.

JERRY: Can I have the address of that garage sale? Okay, thank you very much. <To Kramer> I found Mom and Pop, they're sellin' my sneakers!

KRAMER: Where are they?

JERRY: Parsippany, New Jersey.

KRAMER: Let's go!

JERRY: My car's in the shop.

KRAMER: Well, how are we getting to Parsippany?

<Cut to Jerry and Kramer sitting in the back of a Trailways bus, en route to Parsippany. Kramer's nose starts to bleed again.>

KRAMER: Uh. Jerry. These nosebleeds are starting again.

JERRY (wipes Kramer's brow): Maybe we should get you to a hospital.

KRAMER (a la Ratso Rizzo in Midnight Cowboy): Hey, I ain't goin' to no Bellevue! Look at me, I'm fallin' apart here.

<Nilsson's "Everybody's Talkin'" begins to play as they continue on to Jersey, in a send-up of Midnight Cowboy that has to be seen to be appreciated.>


End of episode.

Transcribed by Brian Dickson on Dec. 30, 2002.





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Also, here's some more trivia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mom_%26_Pop_Store


Origin

Part of this episode was inspired by events that actually happened to writer Tom Gammill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Gammill). He purchased a car purely based on the belief that it had previously been owned by Jon Voight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Voight), only to find out later that he had been lied to. He kept the car, however, and it was used as George's car in both this episode and Season 7's "The Gum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gum)." In an interview for the film National Treasure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Treasure_(film)), Jon Voight admitted that the car Gamill purchased was purported to have been owned by his mother, and not himself.




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Does Watley only make appearances in S6? I'm too lazy to look it up right now.


Whatley appears in:

* The Mom and Pop Store (#6.8)

* The Label Maker (#6.12)

* The Jimmy (#6.18)

* The Yada Yada (#8.19)

* The Strike (#9.10)

[nuraman00]

Three more notes about Breaking Bad:

1. In "End Times", after Jesse put the gun against Heisenberg's forehead, then eventually pulled it away, there's a round dent in Heisenberg's forehead.

2. In "Face Off", when Heisenberg comes to Saul's office and breaks in, secretary Francesa "Honey Tits" appears to be shredding a schedule. I tried pausing it to see if I can read it. It is probably Brock's school schedule, but the writing has a lot of shorthand, so it's hard to be 100% sure. I can kind of make out the day sof the week and some times, but again, the days of the week are in shorthand, and the code for Friday doesn't seem intuitive.

3. IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93) was also right that Don Salamanca finally looks at Gus right before he rings the bell, and that he had this angry vitriolic face.

[nuraman00]

Why couldn't Hector look at Gus? I'm confused now.

Hector showed the same anger that he had before, as after when he did look at Gus. So what would have changed?

I thought he couldn't look at Gus, because a small part of him would have had sympathy or remorse at killing Gus' partner.

But then even after he looked at Gus, after that initial second of sadness, there was still the same intense anger, if not more of it.

[IowaSacKing93]

Why couldn't Hector look at Gus? I'm confused now.

Hector showed the same anger that he had before, as after when he did look at Gus. So what would have changed?

I thought he couldn't look at Gus, because a small part of him would have had sympathy or remorse at killing Gus' partner.

But then even after he looked at Gus, after that initial second of sadness, there was still the same intense anger, if not more of it.

I don't think it was because Hector couldn't look at Gus, but it was more about Hector pulling Gus into his trap. He knew someone like Gus wouldn't have just injected him and let him die, he was going to make him suffer. That's why he called him a crippled little rata, and said that he was going to die and leave behind no legacy/reputation etc...And he knew that Gus would make him look him in the eye, or at least attempt to. So Hector looking down, and looking scared, intimated, confused etc...only gave Gus that confidence to continue to berate him, instead of just killing him with the poison.

Then, when Gus told him that he had one last chance to look him in the eye, that's when Hector starting working even more of his magic.

Some will say that this is a bit exaggerated and that Salamanca's character isn't that complex, but I totally disagree. This show is built on complex characters, even someone like Salamanca who appeared in a few episodes and never said a word. He was still a big part of the show (because of his past, his relationship with Tuco/Gus).

And, above all, Salamanca is someone who wanted to die and leave behind a legacy (even if no one ever found out that he was the one that killed Gus/Tyrus in a suicide mission, he died knowing it, and that matters to him above anything). He wasn't going to let Gus get the best of him (and his family) one more final time, so the bomb was a bold move but it made a ton of sense too.

[IowaSacKing93]

Plus, what was Salamanca going to do for the rest of his short life? Sit there in a retirement home and watch Mexican soap operas? And just snarl and groan at every passing person?

Compared to his past life in the cartel, this life sucked. But there was no way to change it. He was old, crippled, useless.

So again, a move that made a ton of sense. And this way he didn't die in a small room in a nursing home. He was able to leave with his dignity and his pride.

[nuraman00]

I don't think it was because Hector couldn't look at Gus, but it was more about Hector pulling Gus into his trap. He knew someone like Gus wouldn't have just injected him and let him die, he was going to make him suffer. That's why he called him a crippled little rata, and said that he was going to die and leave behind no legacy/reputation etc...And he knew that Gus would make him look him in the eye, or at least attempt to. So Hector looking down, and looking scared, intimated, confused etc...only gave Gus that confidence to continue to berate him, instead of just killing him with the poison.

Then, when Gus told him that he had one last chance to look him in the eye, that's when Hector starting working even more of his magic.

Some will say that this is a bit exaggerated and that Salamanca's character isn't that complex, but I totally disagree. This show is built on complex characters, even someone like Salamanca who appeared in a few episodes and never said a word. He was still a big part of the show (because of his past, his relationship with Tuco/Gus).

And, above all, Salamanca is someone who wanted to die and leave behind a legacy (even if no one ever found out that he was the one that killed Gus/Tyrus in a suicide mission, he died knowing it, and that matters to him above anything). He wasn't going to let Gus get the best of him (and his family) one more final time, so the bomb was a bold move but it made a ton of sense too.


Plus, what was Salamanca going to do for the rest of his short life? Sit there in a retirement home and watch Mexican soap operas? And just snarl and groan at every passing person?

Compared to his past life in the cartel, this life sucked. But there was no way to change it. He was old, crippled, useless.

So again, a move that made a ton of sense. And this way he didn't die in a small room in a nursing home. He was able to leave with his dignity and his pride.

Good posts, agree.

[nuraman00]

Video clip of IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93) driving:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM9D86d8RWw

The brothers at the end are Marco and Leonel Salamanca. IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), you now have one minute to live. Good luck.

[IowaSacKing93]

Thanks nuraman00. I'm glad he was able to avoid the spot on the floor where Hector Salamanca left a pool of dark urine (the grocery store worker asked him if he needed help finding anything, and he responded by snarling and breathing heavily towards the worker, who then got scared and left, leaving Salamanca all alone and giving him ample time to commit the crime).

[IowaSacKing93]

New show I've started watching is 'Breakout Kings' a spinoff of Prison Break (FOX). It airs on A&E.

I'm watching the 1st season.

It's good. 8/10. Every episodes features a new convict that's escaped (and the team begins to track him down). The beginning of the episode always shows how the convict escapes, and each situation is unique and cleverly written. Some people have complained that the show isn't serious enough. There are a lot of side jokes being made by the characters, and even in some serious/tense situations, someone will crack a joke. It's ok though. Unlike Breaking Bad, you can predict this show to an extent. For example, you know they're going to catch the convict at the end of the episode, you know he's going to allude authorities at some point, he's going to kill or take someone hostage at some point etc...But there are also mini-twists that are revealed throughout episodes. The acting is ok, IMO.

I still have to finish: Season 6 of Seinfeld (I've dragged this out for a very long time. Art Vandelay would be ashamed), Season 1 King of the Hill (Few episodes left, but haven't watched in about a week or so).

[nuraman00]

Making a list of Seinfeld specialty ethnic foods.

* Babka:

S5 E13: The Dinner Party (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheDinnerParty.html)

* Black And White Cookie:

S5 E13: The Dinner Party (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheDinnerParty.html)
S6 E24: The Understudy (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheUnderstudy.html)

* Kasha Varnishkas:

S7 E2: The Postponement (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ThePostponement.html)

* Marble Rye:

S7 E 11: The Rye (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheRye.htm)
S7 E 15: The Cadillac (2) (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheCadillac2.html)
S8 E 10: The Andrea Doria (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheAndreaDoria.htm)
S9 E 23: The Finale

(http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheFinale.htm)* Matzah Ball Soup:

S6 E 10: The Soup (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheSoup.html)
S6 E 23: The Face Painter (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheFacePainter.html)

[nuraman00]

Seinfeld list of pop culture references (spoilers below):

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Pop Culture Event: Sharon Stone is grilled by Wayne Knight's character in Basic Instinct.

Wayne Knight's character is seen sweating heavily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpnnKJ4xndo


Seinfeld Parody (S8 E5: The Package (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ThePackage.htm)): Wayne Knight's character, Newman, grills Jerry about mail fraud. During the interrogation, Newman asks Jerry if he feels hot (because Newman himself is sweating).

Newman also asks Jerry for a sip of his root beer. In Basic Instinct, Wayne Knight's character asked Ms. Tramell to put out her cigarette. In both cases, the vice (smoking / root beer) annoy Wayne Knight's character.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MOauy4Bfyc










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Pop Culture Event: Figure skater Nancy Kerrigan is attacked by figure skater Tanya Harding's ex-husband, before the 1994 World Skating Championships.

Harding was then selected to go to the 1994 Winter Olympics too. Harding then suffers public backlash.

Right before one of the performances, Harding had a broken lace on her skate. She asked for a replacement lace. She then went on and missed her opening jump. She then stopped and asked the referee to start over, saying that her replacement lace was too short.

Seinfeld Parody (S6 E24: The Understudy (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheUnderstudy.html) ): Bette Midler's character is playing the lead in the fictional musical Rochelle, Rochelle (mentioned in previous episodes too). Jerry's girlfriend is the understudy.

During a softball game, George slides to home plate, where Midler's character was the catcher. He injures her. Jerry's girlfriend is now the lead. She suffers from a public backlash.

During the performance, Jerry's girlfriend cries because her lace comes undone. She asks to start over.

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http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheUnderstudy.html

[On Stage]
Gennice: [singing and dancing] "It's a long journey from Milan to Minsk…" [Shoe lace comes undone (even LOOKS like figure skates] wait wait. Hold it stop, (sob) I'm sorry, I have to start it over, my shoelace. (sob) I can't do it like this. Please let me start over. (sob) Please. (sob) Please. . . .


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Pop Culture Event: O.J. Simpson is suspected of murder. His friend drives him in a white Ford Bronco on the freeway and engages in a high speed chase from cops.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQJ1_6WAMM

Seinfeld Parody (S6 E2: The Big Salad (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBigSalad.html) ): One of Kramer's golfing friends is suspected of murder. Kramer feels responsible for his friend's potential rage, and drives him on the freeway and engages in a high speed chase from the cops.

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TV: As you can see white Bronco. The police have cleared the highway traffic in front of him but they are keeping their distance and don't want the situation to escalate. And we have gotten an identification on the driver of the vehicle. His name is; Kramer, one of Genderson's golfing buddies.
Police: 9-1-1 What are you reporting

Kramer: Yeah, this is Kramer. I got Genderson in the car. He wants to see his fish. I'm taking him to see his fish. So tell the police to back off.


Police: Okay, sir, and what's your name?


Kramer: My name is Kramer. You know who I am dammit!




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IMO this wasn't as funny, it was too obvious.









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Pop Culture Event: The movie JFK is released. It uses special footage of Kennedy's assassination, from citizen Abraham Zapruder. The movie, directed by Oliver Stone, surmises a second gunman in Kennedy's assassination. The single bullet theory, the theory that is trying to be disproved, is also called the "magic bullet theory".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPdBXh-ltaA

Seinfeld Parody (S3 E17, 18: The Boyfriend (1) (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBoyfriend1.htm), The Boyfriend (2) (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBoyfriend2.htm) ): Kramer and Newman tell of a story in which Keith Hernandez once spit on them. Jerry gives a demonstration of why the "magic loogie" theory can't be true, and why there had to be a second spitter. Wayne Knight is standing in the same location that he did in JFK, when investigator Jim Garrison was giving a courtroom demonstration.

Part 1:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcaq4ElAJrE

Part 2:

Keith Hernandez dispels that he was the spitter.


Find out who did it here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsxzmkm2vRc











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Pop Culture Event: A woman spills coffee on herself while trying to put cream in sugar in it, while the car was moving. She then sues McDonalds claiming that it was too hot.

She suffered 3rd degrees burns on 16% of her body, and never recovered from them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hprByjGNgn8&amp;feature=related

Seinfeld Parody (S7 E2: The Postponement (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ThePostponement.html)): Kramer spills coffee on himself while trying to sneak it into the movies. He then sues the coffee store, Java World, claiming it was too hot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TysjNDTWEBc

In the next episode, he also hires a lawyer, Jackie Chiles, who talks just like O.J. Simpson defense lawyer Johnny Cochran.

Kramer hires Chiles in several future episodes too.













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Pop Culture Event: During the O.J. Simpson murder trial, Simpson tries on a glove that was at the crime scene. It doesn't fit. Prosecutors claimed the glove shrunk.


Seinfeld Parody (S7 E12: The Caddy (http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheCaddy.html) ): Kramer gets into a car accident when he sees a woman walking the street, wearing a bra as a top. Kramer hires Jackie Chiles as his lawyer.

During the trial, the woman tries to put the bra on over a leotard she's currently wearing. But it doesn't fit. So she is acquitted.

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Judge: This court will come to order! Go ahead Miss Mishke, try it on.

(Sue Ellen proceeds to try on the bra, over her top, but it seems too
small)

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[IowaSacKing93]

[B]* Kasha Varnishkas:


Just watched this episode, where the rabbih offered Elaine this dish. So I can assume its a Jewish thing?

[nuraman00]

[B]* Kasha Varnishkas:


Just watched this episode, where the rabbih offered Elaine this dish. So I can assume its a Jewish thing?


Yes. From Wiki:


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasha_varnishkas


Kasha varnishkes or kasha varnishkas is a traditional Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish) dish that combines kasha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasha) (buckwheat groats) with noodles, typically with Farfalle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farfalle) and usually flavored with fried onions and chicken or beef stock.


Kasha varnishkes are believed to be from Eastern Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe). Ashkenazi Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews) from the area brought the food to America and it is widely popular in the American Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jewish) community.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasha_varnishkas#cite_note-Haven-0)
The name "varnishkes" seems to be a Yiddish corruption of the Russian "varenichki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varenyky)", small stuffed dumplings. A recipe from 1925 shows kasha-filled dumplings, rather than the simpler kasha with farfalle.



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http://glutenfreecookingschool.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kasha-varnishkes.jpg



http://i41.tinypic.com/ofswao.jpg





http://i43.tinypic.com/2lj3h5l_th.jpg

[IowaSacKing93]

It doesn't look to good in the picture (especially the 1st pic) but who knows, and it's something that probably would be hard to find around town, not that I'm even that int erested.

Thanks for the info.

[nuraman00]

It doesn't look to good in the picture (especially the 1st pic) but who knows, and it's something that probably would be hard to find around town, not that I'm even that int erested.

Thanks for the info.

I don't think I like small things mixed with big pasta. I think I like similar objects with similar-sized pasta. So either big objects with big pasta, or in this case they could have used macaroni pasta maybe.

Anyways, agree, I'm not as interested in this. I was just curious though what all of these food references were.

I suppose I could start a quest for marble rye, at some point.

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I don't think I'd want it in a sandwich though, like in the 2nd picture. That looks like too many flavors.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bqcoO1cYU

[nuraman00]

Hmm, one review says they had a turkey avocado sandwich on marble rye bread. I guess I could try that. Another review said a different sandwich got too soggy. LOL.

When I'm ready to begin my quest, I should probably post on a food board and ask where I can get plain marble rye, and then mention I'd only be open to simple sandwiches (because I don't want the flavor of the other ingredients to overpower the rye).

[nuraman00]

IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), I think you'll like these clips:

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[Setting: Booth at Monk's Cafe]
GEORGE: And then I hear this rabbi on television, I mean imagine.
ELAINE: I'm really sorry George, I, I, I wasn't jealous of you. It was just the
whole marriage thing.
GEORGE: Ya know, I was just a little surprised.

JERRY: Why would anyone eat canned fruit? I mean can anybody answer that?

GEORGE: What about all the loser stuff?
ELAINE: I don't know where the rabbi got that. Ya know I never said that. I said
"I've never seen you looser".
JERRY: I can see the can if you're in the army, but fresh fruit it's available, it's

there, it's 2 aisles over.





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Jerry's lines have nothing to do with Elaine or George. It's as if he's in his own world. He's talking to himself. I know you like those kind of scenes.


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[Setting: Restaurant. Maestro and Elaine are talking)


MAESTRO: And then about four years ago I was on holiday in Tuscany.

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IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), he used the word "holiday"!

[nuraman00]

Starting the movie "With Honors". It stars Joe Pesci and Brendan Frasier. A Harvard grad befriends a homeless man.

Back in the early 90s, someone recommended this movie to me. It was one of those kids I had to hang out with a lot because our moms were friends, but I personally didn't like him as much. Sure there were some good times, but too many negative ones too.

(BTW, I didn't understand this at the time, but he was a bigger Bulls fan than Kings fan. I think I understand it now, he grew up in Chicago or something. Whenever we'd role-play, he'd sometimes have Scottie Pippen or Michael Jordan flagrantly foul Mitch Ritchmond or Lionel Simmons, and then later on one of those Bulls players such as Kukoc or Longely would make the game-winning FTs. As I mentioned, I didn't get it at the time and it always left me bewildered why he would think of those events, but I think he grew up somewhere else.)

[nuraman00]

Fraser's character's hard drive crashed. He has 10 chapters of the only copy of his thesis printed out. Then he drops it through a drain hole that leads to the boiler room of the library.

He has to sneak into the library to retrieve it.

[IowaSacKing93]

IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), I think you'll like these clips:

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[Setting: Booth at Monk's Cafe]
GEORGE: And then I hear this rabbi on television, I mean imagine.
ELAINE: I'm really sorry George, I, I, I wasn't jealous of you. It was just the
whole marriage thing.
GEORGE: Ya know, I was just a little surprised.

JERRY: Why would anyone eat canned fruit? I mean can anybody answer that?

GEORGE: What about all the loser stuff?
ELAINE: I don't know where the rabbi got that. Ya know I never said that. I said
"I've never seen you looser".
JERRY: I can see the can if you're in the army, but fresh fruit it's available, it's

there, it's 2 aisles over.





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Jerry's lines have nothing to do with Elaine or George. It's as if he's in his own world. He's talking to himself. I know you like those kind of scenes.


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[Setting: Restaurant. Maestro and Elaine are talking)


MAESTRO: And then about four years ago I was on holiday in Tuscany.

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IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), he used the word "holiday"!

Well, he was vacationing in Europe, LOL, so maybe that had an effect on his wordage.

[nuraman00]

"Oh my god, he didn't even flush!"

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That's what they say about IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), not Joe Pesci's character. :)

[IowaSacKing93]

S7: The Rye.

Fuck you Elaine. Why does the episode open with her and her stupid thoughts? Why not the typical Jerry standup bit?

I like how they make a reference to 'the sponge' when Jerry asks Elaine if the new guy is 'sponge worthy'. Clever.

[IowaSacKing93]

So what's the deal with Susan's parents? Are we just supposed to assume that they're mad at one another, with no prior knowledge?

[nuraman00]

S7: The Rye.

Fuck you Elaine. Why does the episode open with her and her stupid thoughts? Why not the typical Jerry standup bit?

I like how they make a reference to 'the sponge' when Jerry asks Elaine if the new guy is 'sponge worthy'. Clever.

I don't think they have Jerry's standup for 1/2 the episodes in this season, starting with this season. I believe the season finale in season 6 was the first one to not have it.

[nuraman00]

So what's the deal with Susan's parents? Are we just supposed to assume that they're mad at one another, with no prior knowledge?

If you remember their interactions from season 4, they're always like that toward each other.

Here's a great sequence:

[Setting: The Ross' house]
(Same diner party is going on. News of the cabin has yet to be discussed)
GEORGE: The cabin.. (Laughs nervously) Well.. (Pauses as he thinks of a way to break the news, then decides to pass it off) Susan?
SUSAN: Uhh.. about the cabin..
MR. ROSS: (Cutting her off) I love that place. My father built that cabin in 1947. My mother was recuperating from Impetigo at the time, and dad thought it would
be a good idea to get her out into the fresh air. She died there the following winter. And he passed away 10 years later to the day. His last words to me were, (Mrs.
Ross, bored out of her mind, has obviously heard this story a million times - she mouths the words as Mr. Ross says them) "Cherish the cabin." Not, uh, "Take care
of your sister." (Adding) She's a paraplegic. But, "Cherish the cabin." (Smiling, reflecting) And I have.. for 45 years. It's often been a.. sanctuary for me.
GEORGE: (Annoyingly butting in) Kinda like Superman's fortress of solitude.
MR. ROSS: What?
GEORGE: S, uh, Superman - he, uh, built the fortress of solitude up at the North Pole, to, uh, you know, sort of get away from it all..
MR. ROSS: When I go, I'm passing it on to her. (Pointing at Susan)
MRS. ROSS: (Drunk, she laughs out loud) I'll take a hotel any day.
SUSAN: Daddy..
MR. ROSS: Yes?
SUSAN: Daddy, about the cabin..
MRS. ROSS: (Laughing, she points to her shirt) Look, Henry, I spilled wine on me! (Laughs again)
MR. ROSS: (To Susan) What about it?
SUSAN: Well, the thing is..
MR. ROSS: What? What is it?
SUSAN: Well, the - the cabin, is, kind of, uh.. George?
GEORGE: (Extremely blunt) Burned.
MR. ROSS: Burned?
SUSAN: There was a fire, and it uh..
GEORGE: Burned.
MR. ROSS: (Still trying to comprehend what has happened) The cabin burned?
GEORGE: (Laughs) yeah, burned. Whoo..
MRS. ROSS: (Laughing out loud) Burned! (George laughs with her)
MR. ROSS: Was anything found? Was it all burned to the ground?! Did they find anything?
SUSAN: (Solemn) No. Nothing.
MRS. ROSS: (Laughing, she's obviously getting a kick out of her husband's misfortune) Nothing! Ha, ha, ha.
(Mr. Ross, devastated, slowly gets up and starts walking toward the room's exit as everyone continues to talk)
GEORGE: Eh, but, you know, Mr. Ross, if - if you look at the whole situating, what with it being your cigars, and everything, it's really rather ironic - one might even
say, in a sense, comical.. (Mr. Ross has, by now, left the room. Mrs. Ross is pointing at George, nodding, laughing. As if to say he hit the bullseye. George calls out
to Mr. Ross) Really. Think about it.

[nuraman00]

Here's another example:

MR. ROSS: How are you enjoying those cigars I gave you?
GEORGE: Oh, uh, the cigars.. (Chuckles nervously) I'm, uh, suckin' 'em down. I'm puffing my brains out, yeah.
MR. ROSS: You know those cigars are made special for Castro?
GEORGE: (Impersonating Carson) I didn't not know that. Weird. Wild. (Susan and George both laugh)
MR. ROSS: What?
SUSAN: (Explaining) He's doing Johnny Carson, daddy.
MR. ROSS: I didn't care much for his jokes.
SUSAN: (To George) Daddy never laughs.
GEORGE: Oh, well, so what? Laughter - what is that? I mean, what is the point of opening your mouth and going "Ha, ha!"? What is that? "Ha, ha!"?
MR. ROSS: You know, you can't get those cigars anywhere.
MRS. ROSS: You and your cigars..
MR. ROSS: (Shooting back at his wife) Wear some more lipstick.

[DCKingsFan]

Hmmm, no "NBA deal seems to have been reached!" thread?

[Eze]

It's in the lockout forum above you :)

[IowaSacKing93]

Welcome, DC Kings Fan.

[nuraman00]

Hmmm, no "NBA deal seems to have been reached!" thread?

OMG! Welcome DCKingsFan (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?94-DCKingsFan)! I can now create the "Official DCKingsFan (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?94-DCKingsFan) offseason Predictions Game Thread!"

[IowaSacKing93]

This is what nuraman00 sings in the shower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58V1qD8F9m4

Enjoy.

[nuraman00]

Stay away from IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93) after he eats a Thanksgiving meal. There's a reason they call him "The Gas Station". Just look at what he did to the bathroom below.


38:puke::puke::puke::dilia_nono::dilia_nono::cants ee:

[IowaSacKing93]

Well played, nuraman00.

Hey is this funny or what? http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2011/10/14/11/tio-salamancas-twitter-16504-1318606531-3.jpg LOL!!

[nuraman00]

Well played, nuraman00.

Hey is this funny or what? http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2011/10/14/11/tio-salamancas-twitter-16504-1318606531-3.jpg LOL!!

Obviously he's excited that the NBA lockout is tentatively over.

Or he's angry about the Iowa - Nebraska game.

[DCKingsFan]

Completely off topic on the off topic but... do you guys ever surf over to Britan and watch British TV?

[IowaSacKing93]

Come again?

[DCKingsFan]

You can use Expat Shield and watch British TV. There are some really great shows there. I don't want to say better than US TV but.... better than US TV.

[ctba]

Hells on Wheels is a big disappointment for AMC

[nuraman00]

Completely off topic on the off topic but... do you guys ever surf over to Britan and watch British TV?

I am glad to learn these things from DCKingsFan (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?94-DCKingsFan).

[ctba]

BBC has some of the best shows out there IMO

[DCKingsFan]

Yep, The Killing, Spooks, Doctor Who to name a few

[nuraman00]

Seinfeld mentioned "Drake Cakes" in "The Suicide". Jerry tried to bribe Newman with Drake Cakes. Also, Elaine was fasting for 3 days but then couldn't take it and grabbed a Drake Cake from Newman and scarfed it down.

I found a pizza place that sells Drake Cakes.

Devil Dogs, Yodels, Ring Dings, Funny Bones, Coffee Cakes.

Which one of these should I get? Here's what they are, from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%27s

Devil Dogs An unfrosted devil's food cake sandwich with vanilla creme with round edged cake wafers resembling a hot dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog).

Yodels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodels) Chocolate frosted creme filled Swiss roll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_roll). Drake's also from time to time offers a non-frosted version, simply called Swiss Roll. These are usually larger and sold as one in a single wrapping or four in a family pack, in the past sold as two smaller cakes in a single wrapping. Similar to Hostess HoHos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HoHos).

Ring Dings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Ding) Chocolate frosted hockey puck shaped chocolate cakes with vanilla creme filling. Another version is filled with custard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custard) and labeled Boston Creme Pies. Originally sold one per package (4" Diameter, .5" high) and also in a yellow cake / milk chocolate frosted variation.

Funny Bones Rectangular chocolate cakes filled with peanut butter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_butter) flavored creme and covered with milk chocolate frosting.

[IowaSacKing93]

Progressing through season 8 of Seinfeld. There's been a few episodes that haven't been as strong as episodes in prior seasons, but there have still been some very good episodes. But it's easy to seperate this season from past ones: and that is the lack of consistency episode by episode.

[IowaSacKing93]

Seinfeld mentioned "Drake Cakes" in "The Suicide". Jerry tried to bribe Newman with Drake Cakes. Also, Elaine was fasting for 3 days but then couldn't take it and grabbed a Drake Cake from Newman and scarfed it down.

I found a pizza place that sells Drake Cakes.

Devil Dogs, Yodels, Ring Dings, Funny Bones, Coffee Cakes.

Which one of these should I get? Here's what they are, from wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake%27s

Devil Dogs An unfrosted devil's food cake sandwich with vanilla creme with round edged cake wafers resembling a hot dog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog).

Yodels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodels) Chocolate frosted creme filled Swiss roll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_roll). Drake's also from time to time offers a non-frosted version, simply called Swiss Roll. These are usually larger and sold as one in a single wrapping or four in a family pack, in the past sold as two smaller cakes in a single wrapping. Similar to Hostess HoHos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HoHos).

Ring Dings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Ding) Chocolate frosted hockey puck shaped chocolate cakes with vanilla creme filling. Another version is filled with custard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custard) and labeled Boston Creme Pies. Originally sold one per package (4" Diameter, .5" high) and also in a yellow cake / milk chocolate frosted variation.

Funny Bones Rectangular chocolate cakes filled with peanut butter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_butter) flavored creme and covered with milk chocolate frosting.

Hmm..I've had coffee cakes before. They're ok, nothing great though.

And I've had the 'boston cream pies' in the white packages, which are the ring dings you refer too.

I'm not a big fan of devil's food so lol but you might.

I'd go with the ring dings though.

[$KingsElite$]

Anybody here watch Adventure Time? :)

[GoKings2010]

Where did u find a place liek that at nuramon? Dont u stay locally in Sac? Id try 1 of each just so u can say u have had it all there before. =]

[nuraman00]

Where did u find a place liek that at nuramon? Dont u stay locally in Sac? Id try 1 of each just so u can say u have had it all there before. =]

Yeah, you're like me. You want to try one of each.

I had them at A Slice Of NY. It's a pizza joint. One of the rooms in it looks like the inside of a subway train, haha. Its in the Bay Area, I live in the Bay Area.

They only had two different kinds of Drake Cakes that day, so I had the Devil Dogs.

I don't think I would have bought one of each anyways, because they need to be refrigerated. And I wasn't going to get back home for a while.

Or I would have had to just buy them at the end, as I was leaving.

http://i40.tinypic.com/fbvxug.jpg

[graumet]

We haven't seen the Heisenberg Hat in a while, I think since the episode "Shotgun". I'm surprised we didn't see it in the finale.

++++++++++++++++++++

One poster called the Lilly Of The Valley:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/end-times,62390/#comment-325469992


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The more I think about the more I'm inclined to believe Walt is responsible for the poisoning The scene you described is the key clue. My guess on the plant is Lily of the Valley. Here's an image of what it looks like potted http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com... (http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/82681-product.html) as the generic images don't quite match the plant from the episode.

This is the next step in Walt's transformation into Heisenberg. It fits with the disparity in Jesse and Walt's partnership. He killed Jane to protect himself, and after the near insane breakdown in Crawl Space, I can't put anything past him.

Yeah, Walt's guilty.



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It's been quite some time now since I watched the finale. But here are my thoughts.

If I remember correctly, nuraman predicted correctly that Walt was the one responsible for poisoning Brock. It seemed like and unbelievably elaborate plan on Walt's part to steal the cigarette from Jesse (also predicted by Nuraman that Saul's body guard lifted it when he was being searched by him at his office adding even more to the unbelievability of it) and poison Brock to get Jesse thinking Gus did it to get Jesse back on his side. But, in the end, this is exactly what is hinted at, except with the flower pot scene.

Some I've talked with say they still aren't convinced that the flower pot scene is enough evidence to suggest that Jesse actually poisoned Brock. However, it's the combination of this scene with the beginning (or end I forget) of the previous episode that shows Walt twirling the gun on the table and then it points in the flower pot's direction. This makes it seem as if it definitely was Walt. Yet, I wouldn't put it past the writers of this show to twist it one more time. They are very good.

At the end of the season Finale, I had the feeling that the show should end here. It felt as if one long dramatic movie had finally ended. Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad the show will continue to go on, but I just felt that it could have ended there and I would have been perfectly ok with that. The open questions would not bother me very much and, in fact, I would enjoy trying to answer them myself. (I've been numbed by wasting my life with shows like "Lost" that never answer a single question and then end.)

So the big question now is: "how does the show go on?". There are lots of things still unanswered with the show. The biggest one, I think, is what happens with Walt and Hank?. I think I tried to bring up this point earlier, at least I have with some of my friends, each time I do, I get shot down. I think that Hank already knows that Walt is Heisenberg. The car accident with Walt driving into oncoming traffic being the tipping point for Hank. The show doesn't pander to unbelievable things and Walt driving into that car was totally unbelievable. Hank had to know something was up. The fact that he then later forgave him in the hospital, almost immediately after the accident seem very out of character. Hank will then have to face the decision, throughout season 5 of weather or not to turn Walt in. Regardless of how Hank finds out (I would assume he has to to make the final season a winner) he will have to face the decision of weather or not to turn him in- that's not an easy one, even for a guy like Hank.

Next, tied in with the first, is how Hank is going to continue. Does he become the new Gus? Does he become the family man he once was? Does the family join him in crime? Does Skyler's sister, Hank's wife, join in on the crime?

Does Walt's cancer kill him before his new chosen life?

What is the best possible ending for the show?

[nuraman00]

It's been quite some time now since I watched the finale. But here are my thoughts.

If I remember correctly, nuraman predicted correctly that Walt was the one responsible for poisoning Brock. It seemed like and unbelievably elaborate plan on Walt's part to steal the cigarette from Jesse (also predicted by Nuraman that Saul's body guard lifted it when he was being searched by him at his office adding even more to the unbelievability of it) and poison Brock to get Jesse thinking Gus did it to get Jesse back on his side. But, in the end, this is exactly what is hinted at, except with the flower pot scene.

Some I've talked with say they still aren't convinced that the flower pot scene is enough evidence to suggest that Jesse actually poisoned Brock. However, it's the combination of this scene with the beginning (or end I forget) of the previous episode that shows Walt twirling the gun on the table and then it points in the flower pot's direction. This makes it seem as if it definitely was Walt. Yet, I wouldn't put it past the writers of this show to twist it one more time. They are very good.

At the end of the season Finale, I had the feeling that the show should end here. It felt as if one long dramatic movie had finally ended. Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad the show will continue to go on, but I just felt that it could have ended there and I would have been perfectly ok with that. The open questions would not bother me very much and, in fact, I would enjoy trying to answer them myself. (I've been numbed by wasting my life with shows like "Lost" that never answer a single question and then end.)

So the big question now is: "how does the show go on?". There are lots of things still unanswered with the show. The biggest one, I think, is what happens with Walt and Hank?. I think I tried to bring up this point earlier, at least I have with some of my friends, each time I do, I get shot down. I think that Hank already knows that Walt is Heisenberg. The car accident with Walt driving into oncoming traffic being the tipping point for Hank. The show doesn't pander to unbelievable things and Walt driving into that car was totally unbelievable. Hank had to know something was up. The fact that he then later forgave him in the hospital, almost immediately after the accident seem very out of character. Hank will then have to face the decision, throughout season 5 of weather or not to turn Walt in. Regardless of how Hank finds out (I would assume he has to to make the final season a winner) he will have to face the decision of weather or not to turn him in- that's not an easy one, even for a guy like Hank.

Next, tied in with the first, is how Hank is going to continue. Does he become the new Gus? Does he become the family man he once was? Does the family join him in crime? Does Skyler's sister, Hank's wife, join in on the crime?

Does Walt's cancer kill him before his new chosen life?

What is the best possible ending for the show?

I think Hank still doesn't know, because its hard to change one's perception of someone. Hank has viewed Walt as that clumsy high school science teacher for far too long. It's similar to how once Person A pegs Person B as "annoying" or "angry" or whatever, most actions Person B takes will only support that viewpoint, according to Person A. Person A has been too filtered to view Person B any differently.

But, you're right, driving into oncoming traffic was fishy. But maybe Hank wrote it off as "typical clumsy Walt" again.

Once Hank finds out, I think he would turn Walt in. But I wouldn't put it past Marie to join in on the crime.

Walt's cancer will also probably kill him before serving any jail time.

So Season 5 will be split into two years. I think the end of the first year will be Hank finding out for sure, or revealing that he's known for a while.

Season 5, Part Two will be the aftermath.

Best possible ending? I think having Hank have to cover up for Walt, not because he wants to, but because the cartel or some other entity is forcing/blackmailing Hank to. They would have something over Hank too. I think seeing Hank put in tough situations for the last few episodes would be good.

But I'm sure the writers will still surprise, and delight, with whatever they choose.

Thanks for the response, graumet (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?140-graumet).

So what did you think of the Gus death scene? Some people really hated how he walked around and straightened his tie.

[graumet]

I think Hank still doesn't know, because its hard to change one's perception of someone. Hank has viewed Walt as that clumsy high school science teacher for far too long. It's similar to how once Person A pegs Person B as "annoying" or "angry" or whatever, most actions Person B takes will only support that viewpoint, according to Person A. Person A has been too filtered to view Person B any differently.

But, you're right, driving into oncoming traffic was fishy. But maybe Hank wrote it off as "typical clumsy Walt" again.

Once Hank finds out, I think he would turn Walt in. But I wouldn't put it past Marie to join in on the crime.

Walt's cancer will also probably kill him before serving any jail time.

So Season 5 will be split into two years. I think the end of the first year will be Hank finding out for sure, or revealing that he's known for a while.

Season 5, Part Two will be the aftermath.

Best possible ending? I think having Hank have to cover up for Walt, not because he wants to, but because the cartel or some other entity is forcing/blackmailing Hank to. They would have something over Hank too. I think seeing Hank put in tough situations for the last few episodes would be good.

But I'm sure the writers will still surprise, and delight, with whatever they choose.

Thanks for the response, graumet (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?140-graumet).

So what did you think of the Gus death scene? Some people really hated how he walked around and straightened his tie.


I see your point about Hank. Still, it seems, soon enough Hank will know and will be forced to change his perceptions of Walt. That will be an interesting part of the show if/when it happens.

It too think Walt will die from cancer.

I for got to mention Mike in Mexico. What is his role going to be in the next season. It's difficult for me to guess because on the one hand he was always so hardcore and not taking any shit from "Walter". The other hand, Gus is dead. Mike was always very loyal to Gus and seemingly dependent on Gus' decision making. So where does Mike's loyalty go now?

I liked the Gus death scene. The straightening of the tie scene was a little cheesy, but still, who is to say that if you've just been in an explosion like that that you would do something like this before you died. It added one last instance of how emotionally void Gus is/was. It was also very surprising and disorienting as a viewer to see Gus walk out like that - I had no idea what was going on.. until I saw his face. Much like, I would expect, the way Gus felt when he was blown up by Hector and his bell.

[nuraman00]

I for got to mention Mike in Mexico. What is his role going to be in the next season. It's difficult for me to guess because on the one hand he was always so hardcore and not taking any shit from "Walter". The other hand, Gus is dead. Mike was always very loyal to Gus and seemingly dependent on Gus' decision making. So where does Mike's loyalty go now?



I'll repost what I said in post # 42 about Mike. I think it sums up the possibilities

+++++++++++++++

With respect to the 5th Season of Breaking Bad, Mike is the wild card.

1. Will Mike work with the DEA to try and help Hank find Heisenberg? He could set up Heisenberg for Hank.

2. Will Mike work with Jesse, and manipulate him into teaming up against Heisenberg, for something?

3. If Heisenberg is the new drug lord of New Mexico, will Mike be his lead man?

4. Will Mike be working with Heisenberg in some other capacity?

Other possible storylines, other than the main one where Hank keeps getting closer to finding out about Heisenberg:

A. Jesse starts to find out about what Heisenberg did to Jane and/or Brock, and it becomes Jesse vs. Heisenberg. I hope this doesn't happen.

B. Car wash and/or the White family gets audited.

C. Jesse is Heisenberg's lead man, as Heisenberg is the new drug lord of New Mexico. Jesse is the lead chemist and henchman too (wow, that's a huge role).

D. Heisenberg has to protect his family against new potential assailants.

E. Something from Gus' Chilean past appears in Heisenberg's world, and it causes conflict.

F. At the end of the series, Heisenberg gets confined to a wheelchair, just like Don Salamanca. I thought of at that time:

[nuraman00]

I see your point about Hank. Still, it seems, soon enough Hank will know and will be forced to change his perceptions of Walt. That will be an interesting part of the show if/when it happens.


I think another thing that Hank may think is "typical Walt", is how Walt has gotten drunk a few times and made bad decisions.

* The argument Walt had by the pool with Hank, where Walt drank too much. He was mad because Walt Jr. seemed to like Hank more.

* Walt getting drunk off of wine, and revealing Gale may not be the main provider of the blue meth.

Then there's the "fugue amnesia".

These things probably continue to give Hank the perception that Walt isn't in control of himself. Or that he doesn't make the best decisions.

[nuraman00]

Watching the movie "Police Academy" Never seen it before.

[nuraman00]

I don't think I'm going to like it. Switching to the movie "The Fan". Saw the last 30-45 minutes of it about 8 years ago, but I can still catch most of it now.

[nuraman00]

Wow, this movie is unrealistic. De Niro's character leaves a SF Giants game in the middle of it, goes to his office (across the Bay Bridge), then crosses the Bay Bridge again again to come back to the game.

[nuraman00]

De Niro: "I'm as serious as a heart attack. That's pretty serious."

[nuraman00]

The movie turned into Rambo on a baseball field, at the end.

[nuraman00]

I tried watching the movie "Get Shorty" this morning, with Gene Hackman and John Travolta. It was a little weird, I stopped at the 14 minute mark.

[IowaSacKing93]

Haven't posted in this thread in a while..

Well, the show that I've been watching pretty consistently as of late is Weeds. I actually gave up on the show two times during season 1 (but only for a couple days each time). The reason was because the style of the show was just so odd to me. There were some really serious moments, that were treated lightly. I guess the show is a mix of comedy-drama, but to me, there were/are certain characters that were able to get away with anything...or were in a tight situation one moment, and the next scene or next episode they'd be out of the jam. Just buildup, and then a weak execution of that storyline. For example , Celia Hodes is a terrible character. I hate her. She should've been written off a long time ago, but no matter what happens to her (being in prison, kidnapped in Mexico) she finds a way back into the main characters' lives and is the same b.itch as always. I guess the point here is: There is no character development...she's the same ungrateful person she's always been.

But the show does get better. Season 2 & 3 were both really good, and the finale of season 2 (last few episodes) were great, the best stretch in the series, and it all culminated in a great finale + cliffhanger.

Another thing about the show that bothers me: There were some reoccurring characters from seasons 1-3, that magically disappeared in 4 (and haven't shown up in 5). They haven't even been mentioned by name. I don't want to ruin the story line for anyone who is interested in watching, so I can't really say what happened at the end of 3 but it's so disappointing that these characters were just left off in 4.

The show is fairly unrealistic. The situations that these characters have faced, the violence they've been around, and for them to just be able to get out of it every time, is really stretching it.

So I guess it's fair to say that my relationship with this show is love/hate, lol, but with many shows (as is now the case with this one) many characters do develop after a few seasons, and we begin to see some deep relationships between characters, things just seem to come together. I'm definitely getting a feeling of that now in the middle of season 5.

It's also important to point out that the seasons are short, 12-15 episodes each (30 minutes running time), so it doesn't take too much to watch a whole season even. I'm not expecting this show to return to the glory of season 2&3, but like I mentioned, I'm pleased with a lot of the characters development (even though a few characters have been written off that I really like..U-Turn and Conrad to name a few).

It's just one of those shows where you better not get attached to any character because the writing is so unpredictable and doesn't make much emotional sense sometimes.

[IowaSacKing93]

I tried watching the movie "Get Shorty" this morning, with Gene Hackman and John Travolta. It was a little weird, I stopped at the 14 minute mark.

WTF. Sounds like an awkward experience.

Almost as awkward as having sex with dutch litchford, only to have him sit in bed crying for 2 hours afterwards.

[nuraman00]

WTF. Sounds like an awkward experience.

Almost as awkward as having sex with dutch litchford, only to have him sit in bed crying for 2 hours afterwards.

Unfortunately, that's not the only time that's happened to me after someone spent the night in bed with me.

After I had sex with dutch_litchford's hamsters, who of course were female, they sat in bed crying for 2 hours afterwards also.

[nuraman00]

WTF. Sounds like an awkward experience.

Almost as awkward as having sex with dutch litchford, only to have him sit in bed crying for 2 hours afterwards.

LOL! I was laughing for several minutes at work. Thanks a lot, I had to muffle it. I was nervous I'd draw attention to myself.

[nuraman00]

Haven't posted in this thread in a while..

Well, the show that I've been watching pretty consistently as of late is Weeds. I actually gave up on the show two times during season 1 (but only for a couple days each time). The reason was because the style of the show was just so odd to me. There were some really serious moments, that were treated lightly. I guess the show is a mix of comedy-drama, but to me, there were/are certain characters that were able to get away with anything...or were in a tight situation one moment, and the next scene or next episode they'd be out of the jam. Just buildup, and then a weak execution of that storyline. For example , Celia Hodes is a terrible character. I hate her. She should've been written off a long time ago, but no matter what happens to her (being in prison, kidnapped in Mexico) she finds a way back into the main characters' lives and is the same b.itch as always. I guess the point here is: There is no character development...she's the same ungrateful person she's always been.

But the show does get better. Season 2 & 3 were both really good, and the finale of season 2 (last few episodes) were great, the best stretch in the series, and it all culminated in a great finale + cliffhanger.

Another thing about the show that bothers me: There were some reoccurring characters from seasons 1-3, that magically disappeared in 4 (and haven't shown up in 5). They haven't even been mentioned by name. I don't want to ruin the story line for anyone who is interested in watching, so I can't really say what happened at the end of 3 but it's so disappointing that these characters were just left off in 4.

The show is fairly unrealistic. The situations that these characters have faced, the violence they've been around, and for them to just be able to get out of it every time, is really stretching it.

So I guess it's fair to say that my relationship with this show is love/hate, lol, but with many shows (as is now the case with this one) many characters do develop after a few seasons, and we begin to see some deep relationships between characters, things just seem to come together. I'm definitely getting a feeling of that now in the middle of season 5.

It's also important to point out that the seasons are short, 12-15 episodes each (30 minutes running time), so it doesn't take too much to watch a whole season even. I'm not expecting this show to return to the glory of season 2&3, but like I mentioned, I'm pleased with a lot of the characters development (even though a few characters have been written off that I really like..U-Turn and Conrad to name a few).

It's just one of those shows where you better not get attached to any character because the writing is so unpredictable and doesn't make much emotional sense sometimes.

Thanks.

[IowaSacKing93]

watching the episode 'puerto rican day' (seinfeld). great, great episode

[IowaSacKing93]

ok now i remember that i dont like the 'laser pointer guy' in this episode.

[nuraman00]

watching the episode 'puerto rican day' (seinfeld). great, great episode

I didn't like it, something about it annoyed me.

But did you know, they only aired it that one time, and removed it from syndication? There was a controversy about that episode. Maybe some stations show it now in syndication, but it was not shown for several years.

[nuraman00]

ok now i remember that i dont like the 'laser pointer guy' in this episode.

Yeah, I think this might have annoyed me.

[IowaSacKing93]

I didn't like it, something about it annoyed me.

But did you know, they only aired it that one time, and removed it from syndication? There was a controversy about that episode. Maybe some stations show it now in syndication, but it was not shown for several years.

Why? Was it offensive to Puerto Ricans or something?

Hmm..it did have a weird feel to it. Most of this episode was outdoors (if not all of it) so it seems that in most episodes, a lot of the action is in Jerry's apartment, or in some restaurant, or maybe someone else's place, but not just in a car, or out in the streets of the city.

[nuraman00]

Why? Was it offensive to Puerto Ricans or something?

Hmm..it did have a weird feel to it. Most of this episode was outdoors (if not all of it) so it seems that in most episodes, a lot of the action is in Jerry's apartment, or in some restaurant, or maybe someone else's place, but not just in a car, or out in the streets of the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day

Controversy "The Puerto Rican Day Parade" was criticized not only for the flag-burning incident, but also for perceived negative portrayals of Puerto Ricans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_people), such as the scene where an angry mob of parade-goers damages Jerry's car, and Kramer later utters, "It's like this every day in Puerto Rico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico)!"[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nytimes-0) The episode sparked angry letters, protests outside NBC's Rockefeller Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Center) in New York[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nydn-1), and complaints from Puerto Rican activists.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nytimes-0) NBC formally apologized for the episode[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nytimes-0), and later pulled it from summer repeats.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nydn-1) However, it later began to appear in syndication, and is featured in its entirety on the DVD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD) set for Seinfeld's ninth season.

[nuraman00]

IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), you mentioned in another thread how you sometimes had other friends' clothes in your car.

There's an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Jeff's wife Susie finds a thong in Jeff's car. He comes up with an excuse and says it was Larry David's. So, for the rest of the episode, Larry has to wear a thong around Susie, and perform actions like bending over to pick up something, so that she sees it. But he can't make it too obvious he wants her to see the thong.

[IowaSacKing93]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day

Controversy "The Puerto Rican Day Parade" was criticized not only for the flag-burning incident, but also for perceived negative portrayals of Puerto Ricans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_people), such as the scene where an angry mob of parade-goers damages Jerry's car, and Kramer later utters, "It's like this every day in Puerto Rico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico)!"[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nytimes-0) The episode sparked angry letters, protests outside NBC's Rockefeller Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Center) in New York[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nydn-1), and complaints from Puerto Rican activists.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nytimes-0) NBC formally apologized for the episode[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nytimes-0), and later pulled it from summer repeats.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puerto_Rican_Day#cite_note-nydn-1) However, it later began to appear in syndication, and is featured in its entirety on the DVD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD) set for Seinfeld's ninth season.

*rolls eyes* people are too sensitive

[IowaSacKing93]

IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93), you mentioned in another thread how you sometimes had other friends' clothes in your car.

There's an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Jeff's wife Susie finds a thong in Jeff's car. He comes up with an excuse and says it was Larry David's. So, for the rest of the episode, Larry has to wear a thong around Susie, and perform actions like bending over to pick up something, so that she sees it. But he can't make it too obvious he wants her to see the thong.

Your dark urine-stained, tiger striped panties are in my car.

[nuraman00]

Your dark urine-stained, tiger striped panties are in my car.

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[IowaSacKing93]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6v-ApehVbc&feature=related

LOL!

[nuraman00]

* Horrible intro music.

* Canned laughter, bleh!

* "aahing" over the baby, no!

* Cheering when Jr. comes in. :)

* That grilled cheese looks fake!

[nuraman00]

Bryan Cranston guest starred on The Simpsons last week.

http://www.tv.com/shows/the-simpsons/the-spy-who-learned-me-2446426/