What would it take to pry away Beasley?

[stonecoldSteveokings907]

They have a glut of big/swingmen in Kevin Love, Micheal Beasley, Derrick Williams, Nikola Pekovic, Wesley Johnson, Anthony Randolph..... Salmons just isn't cutting it, Greene is just too damn inconsistent, Garcia is a good 7th or 8th man off the bench. I think we should give honeycutt and Dont'e Greene the majority of the minutes that salmons now uses and run a lineup of:

PG- Isaiah Thomas , Jimmer,[I] Tyreke (Im pretty sure that im not the only one who wishes, but just doesn't ever see reke being our lead guard. Hes just not a good enough shooter to play SG and I think even though hes undersized for the sf position his strength and ability to get to the basket could make him a good point forward option)

SG- Marcus Thornton, Tyreke, Salmons

SF- Tyreke, Greene, Honeycutt, Outlaw

PF-Thompson, Hickson, Hayes

C- DMC, Thompson, Whiteside

By throwing in a wild card player like beasley, he can post-drive-shoot, he can cover the 3 and the 4. His non defensive ways would also fit in perfectly with this team, and hes still just 22 years old and was a 2nd overall pick. when the heat were saying they were gonna trade him to try and save cap to get the big 3, I really hoped the kings would take a chance on him like they did with Ron(oops i mean mettaworldpeace)

I think he could be had is all and probably be pretty cheap too. Adding beasley to the team and drafting a player like Thomas Robinson or Kidd-Gilchrist in the first and snagging a pg like Mteague to this team would go a long ways to bringing the kings to the top of the Pacific Division in the next couple of years, Kobes not gonna be playing forever. just my two cents for what its worth.

[Eze]

I'd be worried about the IQ with Beasley added in. Kings already have so many talented players who don't understand the game - Beasley's a perfect description of that.

Certainly need a SF upgrade, no doubt, but we need some basketball brains on this team - and they honestly need to start from DeMarcus and Tyreke. At least with DMC, I do see some progress. Can't say the same about Reke.

[Sir Harry]

So much talent in Beasley
but he reminds me of Delonte West on shrooms

[Deadenddude]

I'm not sure what it would take now but I'm still upset that the Kings didn't go after him when the Heat made him available. It was a real disappointment that told me this team is no longer really serious about winning, despite what they might say. A team is basically giving away a #2 pick in his second year and you sit on your hands? You have to take that opportunity. Sadly, the Timberwolves saw what the Kings did not and Beasley has worked out pretty well for them so far, averaging almost 20 PPG this year. It makes me sick when i think that they got him for SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICKS and the Kings stood idly by and did nothing. It's even worse when you consider that he plays the freaking position the Kings have been weakest at for the last few years. Ugh, just unbelievable. Such is life as a Kings fan.

[nuraman00]

Beasley isn't an efficient offensive player.

His offensive rating (points per 100 possessions) last year was 100. This year, it's 93.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslmi01.html

He doesn't rebound that well (and its not just because of Kevin Love's rebounding).

He shot 45% last year, and .426 this year.

Beasley reminds me of an Al Thornton or Slava Medvedenko type. Just takes a lot of shots. He averages more turnovers than assists.

He would be best as a scorer of the bench, but that's about it.

Pekovic, who is starting with Love, is averaging 12 and 7 boards in 23.9 minutes on .617 shooting. His ORTG is 113.

I would have wanted Beasley too last year, but now I don't see the big deal.

[Sir Harry]

there's a reason Beasley was given away....and a reason the T-Wolves are shopping him right now
I betcha he's traded by March 15th

[Deadenddude]

there's a reason Beasley was given away....and a reason the T-Wolves are shopping him right now
I betcha he's traded by March 15th

He was given away primarily because Miami had no use for him with the big 3 coming in and he didn't play well with Wade. I think Minnesota shopping him has more to do with making room for Derrick Williams than it does to do with Beasley. I know he's got problems I just think that if you have a chance to take a gamble on a talented second year player like that and you don't have to give up much to do it, you have to make that move. It's a low risk/high reward proposition. The worst that can happen is that he doesn't work out and all you lost was a low draft pick or role player. The best that can happen is that he blossoms on your team and you got a good player for practically nothing.

[Eze]

For the original cost out of Miami, Kings should have tried to get in on it. But now? I can't imagine a 2nd rounder grabbing him. For what he brings, which is pretty little out of ineffective scoring, I wouldn't give much.

[Deadenddude]

For the original cost out of Miami, Kings should have tried to get in on it. But now? I can't imagine a 2nd rounder grabbing him. For what he brings, which is pretty little out of ineffective scoring, I wouldn't give much.

He would still be an upgrade over any current Kings SF, which I suppose says more about the Kings than it does Beasley. I'm not sure what they're asking but if he could be gotten without giving up any of the Kings core players I'd do it.

[Sir Harry]

I was a big supporter of getting Beasley all along....a guy that has talent, but a low asking price due to his "issues" is a great way to get a bargain.....if the guy pulls his head out of his ass.
I don't think Beasley ever will though, could be wrong

If he ends up a King, I'm cool with it. Just as long as it's on the cheap and short term

[nuraman00]

He would still be an upgrade over any current Kings SF, which I suppose says more about the Kings than it does Beasley. I'm not sure what they're asking but if he could be gotten without giving up any of the Kings core players I'd do it.

Yeah, but its not like they need to get a new SF now. They need several pieces to be a decent team, and they could get a new SF this offseason or next.

I mean yes, the SF play is bad. But its not like that's the only problem they have to address.

Plus, I'd like Beasley more if he could pass from the high post. Instead he shoots over two defenders.

[Eze]

Who do the Kings have that Minny would want that the Kings would part with?

Salmons? Can't imagine they'd want that contract.
Thompson? I'd rather keep JT
Hickson? Possible
Garcia? Doubtful

Then again - it is Kahn. lol

[Deadenddude]

Yeah, but its not like they need to get a new SF now. They need several pieces to be a decent team, and they could get a new SF this offseason or next.

I mean yes, the SF play is bad. But its not like that's the only problem they have to address.

Plus, I'd like Beasley more if he could pass from the high post. Instead he shoots over two defenders.

Part of the problem with this team is that they've still yet to decide what Tyreke is going to be. It makes it hard to build around him when you don't know if he's a PG, SG, or SF. That's part of the reason why I think he should be traded. It's much easier to build around someone like Rondo who you know is a PG. With someone like Rondo at PG that leaves you Cousins at C, Thompson at PF, and Thornton at SG. That's a pretty nice lineup where every piece fits. Add a quality SF to that lineup and you're good to go. I hate to sound anti-Tyreke because I really like the guy, I'm just not convinced you can build a contending team with him as one of your top players. And he's obviously too good to be just a role player, so that leaves me concluding that the best thing is trade him for a real PG and build from there.

[Deadenddude]

Who do the Kings have that Minny would want that the Kings would part with?

Salmons? Can't imagine they'd want that contract.
Thompson? I'd rather keep JT
Hickson? Possible
Garcia? Doubtful

Then again - it is Kahn. lol

Maybe something Hickson + Greene + second round pick.

[Eze]

I'd venture to guess they'd take that.

But I think many of us might vomit that we'd have 16+ million wrapped up in our two SF's in Salmons and Beasley. lolol

[nuraman00]

Part of the problem with this team is that they've still yet to decide what Tyreke is going to be. It makes it hard to build around him when you don't know if he's a PG, SG, or SF. That's part of the reason why I think he should be traded. It's much easier to build around someone like Rondo who you know is a PG. With someone like Rondo at PG that leaves you Cousins at C, Thompson at PF, and Thornton at SG. That's a pretty nice lineup where every piece fits. Add a quality SF to that lineup and you're good to go. I hate to sound anti-Tyreke because I really like the guy, I'm just not convinced you can build a contending team with him as one of your top players. And he's obviously too good to be just a role player, so that leaves me concluding that the best thing is trade him for a real PG and build from there.

I dislike Thornton more this year than I do Tyreke this year.

So I'd want to replace him too.

[Deadenddude]

I dislike Thornton more this year than I do Tyreke this year.

So I'd want to replace him too.

I'm not crazy about Thornton either. I thought the Kings overpaid him a little. The only thing I like about him is that he's clutch in the 4th quarter. Might be stuck with him though, as his contract isn't very desirable for a one dimensional gunner/ball stopper. I think if Tyreke was out of the picture, Thornton could be more effective. They play a similar style and sometime it seems like they cancel each other out. Having both on the floor at the same time is bad news because it's almost a guarantee that one of them will drive into a crowd of defenders and jack up a selfish shot like they think they're Kobe.

[Eze]

Speaking of clutchness, anybody look at Reke's "clutch" stats recently?

Cover your eyes.

lol

[nuraman00]

I'm not crazy about Thornton either. I thought the Kings overpaid him a little. The only thing I like about him is that he's clutch in the 4th quarter. Might be stuck with him though, as his contract isn't very desirable for a one dimensional gunner/ball stopper. I think if Tyreke was out of the picture, Thornton could be more effective. They play a similar style and sometime it seems like they cancel each other out. Having both on the floor at the same time is bad news because it's almost a guarantee that one of them will drive into a crowd of defenders and jack up a selfish shot like they think they're Kobe.

I think Thornton's contract is fair. A young player like that, for only 4 years, is about right.

Consider the Jazz gave CJ Miles a 4 year contract a few years ago. Thornton is making a little more than Miles, but they fit the type of players you give with the hope that they improve or are solid over that span.

I just think Thornton has become only a guy that shoots now. I thought he was better defensively last year. Also, in 11 of his 27 games last year with the Kings, he had 4+ assists. He's only had 1 4+ assist game in 23 games this year.

I don't really care if a guy makes a shot or two in the 4th. How many times do they give up easy baskets in the 4th? A ton. The Klay Thompson 3-pointer was just one of many easy shots for the opposing team late in games.

Not to mention, Smart should have fouled when ahead by 3 with that little time left. But even if he didn't, the Kings still blew that defensive sequence.

[stonecoldSteveokings907]

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[stonecoldSteveokings907]

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[stonecoldSteveokings907]

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[Eze]

For a reference to Beasley's asking price...

Warriors and Wolves apparently talked in June about exchanging Monta Ellis for Beasley and Pekovic.


According to multiple league sources, the two teams had a loose outline of a proposal–neither team had agreed to anything, but this was the basic heart of the talks:

* Minnesota was willing to talk about a package involving F Michael Beasley and C Nikola Pekovic in return for Ellis.

The sources say the Warriors didn’t flat out say no to Minnesota, but wanted more.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/21/if-the-warriors-shop-monta-ellis-one-example-of-what-theyve-been-offered-recently/

[Sir Harry]

Insider was saying he could be had for a trade exception and draft pick

[Eze]

Lakers have that fat 9 million dollar Odom exception.

[BosnianBaller_]

if the kings want an upgrade at SF they should try to sign wilson chandler. he plays on both sides of the ball and has had flashes of brilliance. we have enough chuckers on this team, we need someone to guard the best offensive player on the other team and who can slash to the basket for easy points

[bloatedmaniac]

What would it take to pry away beasley? or What would it take to WANT to pry away Beasley? Cause thats a whole lot of tequila needed to want him.

Yeah our SF position is crap, but he is a classically bad fit for this team. He plays no defense. He doesn't move the ball well. He isn't a great shooter. He isn't consistant on offense. He doesn't rebound well. He isn't a smart player.
Sound familiar? This team already has way too many players like him in the lineup. Though he might have more individual skill then the other SFs (not like thats hard to accomplish), it just doesn't help the team as a whole.

You also have to give up more than he is worth. The Kings have pieces to get him such as a high first round pick, and some young talent (Jimmer, Thomas, Evans, Cousins, JT)....but Beasley isn't worth it. Aside from those, the rest of the pieces the Kings have the T-Wolves (and most teams) wouldn't want to touch for the same reason the team wouldn't mind dumping them. Hickson probably would yield some interest due to his size and youth.

Then consider if you do acquire Beasley. He becomes the teams starter. Evans is back starting at pg. Salmons gets most minutes off the bench. The ball movement, which hasn't been great, will dry up completely.

[bloatedmaniac]

if the kings want an upgrade at SF they should try to sign wilson chandler. he plays on both sides of the ball and has had flashes of brilliance. we have enough chuckers on this team, we need someone to guard the best offensive player on the other team and who can slash to the basket for easy points

We have too many slashers actually. Evans is 100% drive. Thomas drives a lot. Thornton drives a lot. Salmons drives a lot. This team needs someone who can shoot and actually make a shot. Teams just clog the paint to on defense to force the Kings away from the basket. A true shooter would open things up a whole lot.

[Eze]

Ouch. lol


The Minnesota Timberwolves offered to trade Michael Beasley to the Los Angeles Lakers for a first-round draft pick, but the Lakers turned them down, according to a league source.