Sacramento Kings - Golden Shower Warriors Game Thread.

[nuraman00]

Sacramento Kings - Golden Shower Warriors Game Thread.

When: Saturday, March 24th, 2012

Where: The Screamin O' --> The Booing O.


TV: CSN CA, NBA TV

Radio: KHTK 1140, with G-Man and without Fat Lever

Free Streaming Audio :

http://www.nba.com/broadband/alp_schedule.html



Time:

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Keys:

1. Isaiah Thomas. Nate Robinson has had the edge during the past two meetings, visibly frustrating Thomas IMO. Robinson seems two steps ahead of Thomas at both ends of the floor.

[nuraman00]

I will be here.

[nuraman00]

The Retirement Speech:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s4qXIjSZ_Q

The Booing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZmdHkHl1s

The Jersey Unveiled:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OW3jLCHj3_c

[nuraman00]

Jason Thompson out.

[PackfanMatt_12]

I am here

[PackfanMatt_12]

COusins is going to score at least 24 Points tonight

I would say
25 Points, 14 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 2 Steals, 1 Block 5 Fouls

[nuraman00]

Cousins baseline, doesn't step out of bounds, and draws the foul.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Cousins draws the early foul on David Lee (1)
Makes both FT's

[nuraman00]

Klay Thompson a stop, catch, and shoot 3-pointer.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Kings go back to the baseline, this time Isaiah steps out

[nuraman00]

Robinson uncontested midrange jumper.

[nuraman00]

Thomas sucky defense, Robinson layup.

[nuraman00]

Donte pretends he's Thomas and steps out of bounds.

[PackfanMatt_12]

What the hell is going on. 3rd time in a row they go to the baseline, 2nd in a row they step out

[nuraman00]

Lee posting up Evans, passes to Thompson for 3. It's good.

[nuraman00]

What the hell is going on. 3rd time in a row they go to the baseline, 2nd in a row they step out

They think the court is 95 feet instead of 94.

[nuraman00]

Some guy named Jeremy Tyler scored on a tip-in.

[nuraman00]

David Lee bounce pass to Thompson for a dunk.

Ok, no one can guard the Warriors.

[PackfanMatt_12]

my audio now isn't working on the TV. (ALL CHANNELS) damn this makes the game weird

[nuraman00]

Thomas gets screened out, Robinson pull-up jumper. He misses.

[nuraman00]

my audio now isn't working on the TV. (ALL CHANNELS) damn this makes the game weird

Is there another TV you can use?

[nuraman00]

Jeremy Tyler already has 2 points, an assist, and a rebound.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Is there another TV you can use?

nope parents in the other room watching TV

[nuraman00]

Thomas got screened out by Tyler again. Fortunately the Warriors missed, and Evans made a layup at the other end.

[PackfanMatt_12]

now using ESPN Audio

[nuraman00]

nope parents in the other room watching TV

:(

Radio I guess, although you'll be a few seconds ahead/behind. Can you use radio and watch the game on the TV?

Use the streaming audio link in the initial post, if you need a internet audio stream.

[nuraman00]

now using ESPN Audio

Cool, we think alike. :)

[hitdog]

What up ya'll. Let's go Kings !!!

[PackfanMatt_12]

yup. I like that ESPN lets people use their audio for free. Their audio is slightly ahead of HDTV action

[PackfanMatt_12]

so the Audio is a possession ahead of HDTV

[PackfanMatt_12]

those 3's are killing us

[nuraman00]

those 3's are killing us

I feel like the Kings either don't know what the Warriors tendencies are, or they're having trouble implementing the defensive strategy that Smart probably told them.

[nuraman00]

What up ya'll. Let's go Kings !!!

I think you know what's up. More profanity!

[nuraman00]

yup. I like that ESPN lets people use their audio for free. Their audio is slightly ahead of HDTV action

Link to it? Does it have like every NBA, MLB game each night?

[nuraman00]

Whiteside with a block.

[PackfanMatt_12]

the only good in this quarter is that Cousins went an entire quarter without a foul

[nuraman00]

the only good in this quarter is that Cousins went an entire quarter without a foul

LOL.

Right now, it feels like an adventure on who on the Kings will score, will the Warriors are confident any of their guys, even "Jeremy Tyler", can score.

[nuraman00]

Jefferson with some great defense, before he fouls.

[nuraman00]

Damn, Jefferson with a great pass to Thompson for 3.

Jefferson is the kind of vet I wish the Kings had, if his salary wasn't an issue.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Just go to espn nba scores and click listen. Then it takes you to a directory. I haven't payed for it

[nuraman00]

Hayes from the high post to Whiteside for a 8 foot flip shot.

Who called that play before the game started? :)

[nuraman00]

Garcia slips past Klay Thompson.

[nuraman00]

I hope Klay Thompson is making Warriors fans get over Ellis.

He's cheaper, and can develop into a good player. Yes, it's always going to be a problem that he can't create his shot as well as Ellis. But he's also difficult to guard, in his own way, too.

[PackfanMatt_12]

there is the fouling Cousins we know and hate

[nuraman00]

Robinson with a hesitation move, drives past Thomas at the 3-point line and goes in for a layup.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Kings don't try nearly as much or hustle as much against bad teams (which is odd because they are a bad team and usually great teams are the ones that don't try against bad teams)

[PackfanMatt_12]

Robinson may not be back

[PackfanMatt_12]

wow Thompson has 17

[PackfanMatt_12]

STOP THOMPSON!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nuraman00]

Kings have given up 55+ in a half during a lot of games the past 1.5 weeks, wins or losses.

[nuraman00]

STOP THOMPSON!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they stop Thompson, then I'll bet Jeremy Tyler ends up with 9 points, 4 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 blocks.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Down 11
Tyreke HAS to start making those drives and finishing

[nuraman00]

Kings don't try nearly as much or hustle as much against bad teams (which is odd because they are a bad team and usually great teams are the ones that don't try against bad teams)

Warriors guards just seem quicker.

Also, here's another way to think about it. A week and a half ago, Nate Robinson, David Lee, Rodney Stuckey, and Greg Monroe (the Kings losses) played better than Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, Luke Ridnour, and Kevin Love (the Kings wins).

Part of the Kings wins during that stretch was that the opposition didn't play as well as expected.

Right now, Klay Thopmson is having a game similar to the first list -- Robinson, Lee, Stuckey, Monroe.

[nuraman00]

BTW I mentioned in the NCAA thread how you still have two teams that could make the Final Four.

IowaSacKing93 could get 1 with UNC. I'm out.

[nuraman00]

Now they're showing highlights of some guy named "Michael Gladness".

[PackfanMatt_12]

but look at some of our wins
Lakers, San Antonio, OKC, Dallas, Boston, Minnesota, Memphis

We just seem to play better against higher competition. Atleast in the games I have seen

[PackfanMatt_12]

It's sad Tyreke really can't make those shots, or any jumpshots inside the arc

[PackfanMatt_12]

we could have drafted Klay

[PackfanMatt_12]

6 point game after Tyreke rolls it in on the drive

[hitdog]

Tyreke finished at the rim ! holy crap ! down 6 now.

[nuraman00]

but look at some of our wins
Lakers, San Antonio, OKC, Dallas, Boston, Minnesota, Memphis

We just seem to play better against higher competition. Atleast in the games I have seen

You're supposed to win some games against +.500 teams. No team loses them all.

The Kings have 8 wins against +.500 teams.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded/group/1

That puts them 23rd in the league.

That's not too far off where they are in the league standings too.

I enjoyed those wins, but big picture, 22 other teams have more wins against +.500 teams.

[nuraman00]

we could have drafted Klay

And he's not as bad defensively as Fredette.

[nuraman00]

Evans with a steal, then he gets in the paint and passes to Greene for a jumper. Good play.

Some day, that will be Fredette. :)

[nuraman00]

Nice fastbreak dunk Evans.

[PackfanMatt_12]

wow rarely have i ever seen that called foul and the goal tend and i have now seen it twice tonight

[nuraman00]

David Lee with his 8th assist. A behind the back pass to Thompson for 3.

[PackfanMatt_12]

we get within 4, then choke

[PackfanMatt_12]

Cousins leads the teams in Points (20), Rebounds (11), and tied for Assists (4)

[PackfanMatt_12]

I really cant stand Jimmer.

[nuraman00]

we get within 4, then choke

PackfanMatt_12 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?7-PackfanMatt_12), if possible, I'm going to try and make both ESPN games tomorrow. Miami-Oklahoma City and Grizzlies-Lakers. That's like a double-header you'd see in the playoffs. It will get me ready.

No promises whether I can make even any of the games, but I'll try.

[nuraman00]

I really cant stand Jimmer.

Did he do something today that annoyed you? Or are you just talking about this season?

[nuraman00]

Thomas with a defensive rebound, he drives down the court, hesitation move, then layup. 3-point play too!

[nuraman00]

That "Gladness" guy made an assist to Jenkins.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Did he do something today that annoyed you? Or are you just talking about this season?

just going into the draft I wasn't a fan of him. Then we traded back 3 spots for Salmons and took him, and he doesn't play anyd defense and the only thing he does do SHOOT. He hasn't done well at this season

[nuraman00]

Thornton with a disgusting wild drive.

[nuraman00]

just going into the draft I wasn't a fan of him. Then we traded back 3 spots for Salmons and took him, and he doesn't play anyd defense and the only thing he does do SHOOT. He hasn't done well at this season

Got it.

I wasn't a fan of the pick myself. But he's a longterm project (3 years or so). Also, other than Thompson, no one else has played that great after him. Thomas included. Thomas might be better right now, but I still don't think he's starting caliber.

[nuraman00]

I think I like Fredette's game, what it could be, better than Thornton. All Thornton does is shoot. Fredette has better handles IMO.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Got it.

I wasn't a fan of the pick myself. But he's a longterm project (3 years or so). Also, other than Thompson, no one else has played that great after him. Thomas included. Thomas might be better right now, but I still don't think he's starting caliber.

yeah I gotcha. I think just all the hype before the season Jimmer had makes it even worse for him.
Let me ask you this if you had to go back (assume you knew Isaiah woulfnt make it to the 2nd round)

Would you take Thomas or Jimmer

[nuraman00]

Cousins to Salmons for a layup. Good play. Salmons didn't finish strong though, it was a weak layup that rolled in. Wish Salmons could finish stronger like he used to.

[PackfanMatt_12]

we have the lead!!!!!

[PackfanMatt_12]

Thornton with the putback. Rush draws the foul
7.4 Seconds left in the 3rd
Rush makes both
Warriors 89 Kings 87

[graumet]

I'm sure listening to Grant and Jerry is annoying when you're not a Kings fan, but listening the Warriors announcers is painful.

[hitdog]

that was a crazy 3rd quarter

[nuraman00]

yeah I gotcha. I think just all the hype before the season Jimmer had makes it even worse for him.
Let me ask you this if you had to go back (assume you knew Isaiah woulfnt make it to the 2nd round)

Would you take Thomas or Jimmer

Good question.

Thomas: Can hit long shots, but is poor around the basket. His speed with his defense is helpful sometimes, but he apparently can get screened out. I do think he runs an offense better than Udrih. But Thomas isn't a playmaker, just like Udrih wasn't.

Fredette: Looks good when driving. His shot isn't there yet. He just has the "wrong" feel for the game. When he shoots, he looks awkward. When he passes, he makes the wrong decision. He gets isolated on defensively, he's a target.

I actually haven't even seen Fredette come off screens, like Thompson. He's only been a standstill catch-and-shoot guy, or a guy who shoots off the dribble. (I'm comparing him to Thompson, to show the various depths players can have in terms of offensive skill).

Thomas, is decent off the dribble, but only from 20 feet out.

I guess I would take Thomas, because he has less to improve on to be a starter. I'd say if he added a floater, he would be a starter. Maybe not a great one, but still a starter. I'd still have some reservations about his playmaking though.

For Fredette, he needs to get to the foul line. 66% of his shots are form beyond 16 feet. No prolific scorer can survive without the ability to draw fouls. And Fredette doesn't venture into the paint enough. He also needs to cut down on his turnovers. Improve his defense, by more than Thomas needs to. So that's 3 major things I'd have him improve on, before naming him a starter.

While Thomas only needs to improve on one, either adding a floater, or becoming a better defender (possible through experience).

Thomas wins.

Also take into account the Kings playoffs drought. The Kings can't wait for any more projects. They need to get as polished as possible. Unless you enjoy .340 seasons. They need to establish an identity, and a core, and can't wait 2-3 years for players.

[nuraman00]

I'm sure listening to Grant and Jerry is annoying when you're not a Kings fan, but listening the Warriors announcers is painful.

I'm fine with it.

[hitdog]

lol at that pass by salmons

[nuraman00]

graumet (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?140-graumet), I asked you in the other thread, where you lived.

[hitdog]

Big Cuz abusing down low

[nuraman00]

The poor rebounding is another problem. Thomas has some rebounding potential with his speed.

[nuraman00]

Greene to Garcia for a layup! Garcia drove from the top of the key.

[PackfanMatt_12]

I would agree nuraman I think I would take Thomas over Jimmer as well. I also think Jimmer wouldn't be a Top 20 pick

[graumet]

graumet (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?140-graumet), I asked you in the other thread, where you lived.

LA

[bloatedmaniac]

How not to play defense 101. Enter Terrance Williams to change the tune of things!

[PackfanMatt_12]

Terrence Williams debut

[graumet]

I'm fine with it. One is ok, the other sucks. Who is your least favorite team tv announcers?

[PackfanMatt_12]

despite the bucket I like the defense

[bloatedmaniac]

Garcia continues to miss shots and be worthless.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Garcia is an idiot

[bloatedmaniac]

Williams misses a wide open 3! Definately a Kings player!

[nuraman00]

Terrible defense in allowing that Rush drive.

[bloatedmaniac]

Hayes ties up Klay for a jump ball.

[bloatedmaniac]

Terrible defense in allowing that Rush drive.

Kings speciality. If you can move...you get a layup

[nuraman00]

One is ok, the other sucks. Who is your least favorite team tv announcers?

Tommy H. from Boston.

Houston was kind of annoying too.

Phoenix, you think would annoy me with their "M-V-Steve" nickname, but it didn't, lol.

[nuraman00]

One is ok, the other sucks. Who is your least favorite team tv announcers?

I don't like Bob Fitzgerald, but that's also because of his radio show. He complains about foul calls in general. He complains about the Giants offense. He just likes a lot of offense. He likes 6-1 NHL games.

[nuraman00]

Williams misses a wide open 3! Definately a Kings player!

You're late, bloatedmaniac (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?16-bloatedmaniac)! The golden shower started 2 hours ago.

[PackfanMatt_12]

I like Terrence Williams. Give him another 10 day contract

[PackfanMatt_12]

Bright Side: Demarcus has scored me 70 Fantasy Points tonight
Although not that I need it since I am beating my opponent by 600+
(11-0-1)

[bloatedmaniac]

Terrance Williams > Outlaw already.

[PackfanMatt_12]

T-WIll!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nuraman00]

Evans to Hayes! That's the 2nd surprising play of the game. The first was Hayes to Whiteside.

[nuraman00]

Terrance Williams > Outlaw already.

Jeremy Tyler and Michael Gladness > Outlaw.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Fan who made half court shot > Travis Outlaw

[PackfanMatt_12]

Terrence Williams plays kings basketball

[bloatedmaniac]

You're late, bloatedmaniac (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?16-bloatedmaniac)! The golden shower started 2 hours ago.

Based on what I've seen from the game, I think I was spared lol.

[bloatedmaniac]

Another Kings turnover in crunch time.

[PackfanMatt_12]

turnovers costing us the game

[nuraman00]

Salmons to Evans, who drives, pulls up, and makes a leaner.

[bloatedmaniac]

Got to admit, nice pass in to Lee. Kings failing on defense so bad.

[nuraman00]

The Warriors plays are so much better than the Kings. And I'm saying that, with the Kings playing a decent game today.

[nuraman00]

Klay Thomson is a better rebounder than the Sacramento Kings.

[bloatedmaniac]

Salmons...passes to nobody....yep game over.

[bloatedmaniac]

The Warriors plays are so much better than the Kings. And I'm saying that, with the Kings playing a decent game today.

It helps that the Kings have 0 defense....Isaiah with the drive to cut to a 1 point game.

[nuraman00]

Timeout.

Easy Prediction: If the Warriors don't hit a 3 coming out of a timeout, they'll have a thunderous dunk.

[PackfanMatt_12]

I wonder how well the Kings offense would do if they could play against the Kings D

[nuraman00]

It helps that the Kings have 0 defense....Isaiah with the drive to cut to a 1 point game.

They're playing better defense than in the last two games in this matchup. Lol.

[nuraman00]

I wonder how well the Kings offense would do if they could play against the Kings D

They would still brick 3-pointers.

[bloatedmaniac]

Block by Tyreke and cousins. Williams the steal but loses it off of Ws player!

[nuraman00]

Terrence Williams blocks a shot, but then loses it on the fast break.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Terrence Williams is destined to be a King

[nuraman00]

Block by Tyreke and cousins. Williams the steal but loses it off of Ws player!

No, he lost it off himself. It's the equivalent of golden showering on himself, instead of on Klay Thompson.

[nuraman00]

Terrence Williams is destined to be a King

Klay Thompson is destined not to be a King. He's too good of a player.

[bloatedmaniac]

Williams turns it over in crunch time...WELCOME TO THE KINGS. You get to be as fail as the rest.

[PackfanMatt_12]

we really could have taken a lead. Instead Williams can't pass the freakin ball

[bloatedmaniac]

5 second VIOLATION!!!! GO KINGS! Honestly great defense

[PackfanMatt_12]

THANK YOU

[hitdog]

holy crap, 5 second call.

[PackfanMatt_12]

STUPID

[hitdog]

WHAT THE FUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nuraman00]

Kings bite the Easter Bunny's ear.

[PackfanMatt_12]

Great job Isaiah you clearly know what your doing

[bloatedmaniac]

How many times can the Kings fail in 30 seconds....a whole damn lot.

[hitdog]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PROFANITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKOXMb2L7S8

[bloatedmaniac]

Williams...Isaiah....Evans.....and every bloody idiot on that last defensive possession needs to go to retire.

[nuraman00]

How many times can the Kings fail in 30 seconds....a whole damn lot.

Infinity.

[bloatedmaniac]

Isaiah is going to receive a stern phone call from his hall of fame dad about letting down the family name.

[nuraman00]

Isaiah is going to receive a stern phone call from his hall of fame dad about letting down the family name.

His dad already left him off his inheritance.

[nuraman00]

This game:

* Featured too many face-smashing mistakes.

* Turnovers in the 4th.

* Bad defense in the first half.

Those were the keys to the loss.

[bloatedmaniac]

This game:

* Featured too many face-smashing mistakes.

* Turnovers in the 4th.

* Bad defense in the first half.

Those were the keys to the loss.

I'm glad I got home in time to watch the Kings do their Washington Wizards impression. We just needed Demarcus Cousins to try a dunk from the free throw line and it would be perfect.

[hitdog]

Well, that's the team that I root for, bunch of fuckin' retards. Go retards go !!! ugh

[nuraman00]

They just showed highlights of Lee's pick and pop bounce pass to Thompson for 3. Gary St. Jean said he ran that same play with Briant Grant, 15 years ago.

[PackfanMatt_12]

so nuraman did you check out my articles and interview

[nuraman00]

I'm glad I got home in time to watch the Kings do their Washington Wizards impression. We just needed Demarcus Cousins to try a dunk from the free throw line and it would be perfect.

Lizards - Kings could even surpass Golden Showers - Kings in terms of head-slapping frustration.

[nuraman00]

so nuraman did you check out my articles and interview

No, not yet. :) Maybe by next weekend.

[nuraman00]

I don't know how many Kings games I can make this week, but we'll see. I should be more available later in the week, rather than earlier. I'm 95% sure I can't make the Houston game on Monday.

[kingraider412]

what is Reke doing shooting a three..?? Really?! Probably the last person you want taking that shot. Yes, alot of stupid basketball being played. Now, can we stop the Isiah ROY considerations. Please...I love the guys play and heart, but he's not a starter> I said it before and I will say it again Thornton and Reke cannot coexist on this team. NoWay! They both are too samey and both desparately need the ball in their hands to be at all effective.

[PackfanMatt_12]

I vote we keep Thornton.

[kingraider412]

Cuz really played balls to wall, like 90 percent of the time. missed alot easy ones though. Without Cuz we would have been blown out of this game.

[bloatedmaniac]

what is Reke doing shooting a three..?? Really?! Probably the last person you want taking that shot. Yes, alot of stupid basketball being played. Now, can we stop the Isiah ROY considerations. Please...I love the guys play and heart, but he's not a starter> I said it before and I will say it again Thornton and Reke cannot coexist on this team. NoWay! They both are too samey and both desparately need the ball in their hands to be at all effective.

Isaiah is a rookie, he goofed up bad, but it doesn't take away from what he can do and has done already. He isn't a top tier point guard...may never be...but he is still a better PG then what this team has had since Bibby (who was terrible in a lot of ways). I personally want to see him continue to develop, and hope he fixes the few bugs that hold him back. Plus he really is one of the best rookies this year so he deserves to be in ROY talk. Even Irving makes a lot more mistakes right now, but has better overall stats for sure.

I do agree 100% that Thornton and Evans just do not mix well at all. It seems the team is less cohesive and has more bad possessions with them both starting. I'm perfectly fine with moving on from the Evans era. Cousins is showing that he is going to be the star of this team. We just need dependable people to place around him.

[Eze]

Warriors perimeter based team match up well with the Kings extremely sub-par perimeter defense.

Also, just an ill-timed mistake on Thomas' part. Cousins should have had an even bigger game given the zero post defense from the Warriors and Marcus Thornton is turning into a 2006 Ben Gordon 2.0. Pass the fucking ball.

[nuraman00]

I vote we keep Thornton.

. . . In a cage.

[nuraman00]

Warriors perimeter based team match up well with the Kings extremely sub-par perimeter defense.

Also, just an ill-timed mistake on Thomas' part. Cousins should have had an even bigger game given the zero post defense from the Warriors and Marcus Thornton is turning into a 2006 Ben Gordon 2.0. Pass the fucking ball.

Salmons has 93 assists in 1247 minutes. His assist % is 11.4%. (He is also averaging 2.7 assists since the ASG, and shooting .519 in those 15 games).

Thornton has 88 assists in 1447 minutes. (Kind of neat how they are exactly 200 minutes off of each other today). He has a 10.6% assist %. Outside of Jason Thompson, he's definitely the worst passer among the big minute players.

[nuraman00]

Isaiah is a rookie, he goofed up bad, but it doesn't take away from what he can do and has done already. He isn't a top tier point guard...may never be...but he is still a better PG then what this team has had since Bibby (who was terrible in a lot of ways). I personally want to see him continue to develop, and hope he fixes the few bugs that hold him back. Plus he really is one of the best rookies this year so he deserves to be in ROY talk. Even Irving makes a lot more mistakes right now, but has better overall stats for sure.

I do agree 100% that Thornton and Evans just do not mix well at all. It seems the team is less cohesive and has more bad possessions with them both starting. I'm perfectly fine with moving on from the Evans era. Cousins is showing that he is going to be the star of this team. We just need dependable people to place around him.

I think the lack of overall talent is the bigger problem, not Thornton and Evans starting. Especially lack of rebounding (in general, not yesterday), and lack of defense.

They had an ORTG of 109.2. That means they scored 109.2 points per 100 possessions. Oklahoma City leads the league in 107.5. So the Kings offense was better than Oklahoma City's average offense, last night.

The problem was their defense had a DRTG of 112.2. The worst defensive team in the league, the Nets, have a DRTG of 107.5. So they were 4.7 points worse than the average Nets defensive performance.

Kings are 27th in defense, tied with their soulmate, the Lizards, at 106.2.

If the Kings had Sessions-Thornton-Evans-Kris Humphries-Cousins, the Kings would have a team with a payroll not much higher than now, affordable, and in that Minnesota-Phoenix-Houston-Utah scrum.

Or, replace Sessions and Humphries with different players who are better at defense.

[nuraman00]

Question: Were Donte Greene and Chuck Hayes on Lee last night? I don't think it was Cousins.

[nuraman00]

Did Thornton guard Thompson and Rush the majority of the game? I don't recall them switching different defenders on Thompson. Either way, both Thompson and Rush had great looks.

Thompson and Rush are turning into Kings killers, because the Kings can't stop them. I've mentioned this before, but Nate Robinson to Klay Thompson in the 2nd game in this matchup probably started it.

And Rush had 21 in a prior matchup.

Kings perimeter defense, even after all of these preseason and regular season meetings, just can't stop them.

Nor David Lee, he was the best big on the floor again in this matchup.

[nuraman00]

Here's the ESPN recap title. LOL:

Lee, Warriors clip Kings in error-filled affair (http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=320324009)

[Eze]

I don't think anybody guarded anybody, even if they were "matched up" against them, lol.

Thornton plays awful defense - mostly because he's always cheating for a steal and he's always getting just that much caught on screens.

I saw Hayes give Lee a couple rough possessions, but outside of that, it was just eye wrenching all over. The amount of times Klay Thompson got a screen and had an essentially open shot was absurd.

Also, I like Keith but I've about had it with his love of all things matchup. Play your best players.

[kingraider412]

First off, if you don't preach defense..it's a by-product of what we see on the floor. That was the number one reason, Golden State did not bring back Smart in the first place. Smart's ethos is outscoring the other team and gambling on defense. That philosophy won't get you anywhere past medicore in the NBA. All of the good/great teams have solid consisitent defense. Smart will have one year for the team to buy into playing tough defense for 48 minutes. Not 3 minutes a game, hoping to claw you're way to a victory.

[bloatedmaniac]

Did Thornton guard Thompson and Rush the majority of the game? I don't recall them switching different defenders on Thompson. Either way, both Thompson and Rush had great looks.

Thompson and Rush are turning into Kings killers, because the Kings can't stop them. I've mentioned this before, but Nate Robinson to Klay Thompson in the 2nd game in this matchup probably started it.

And Rush had 21 in a prior matchup.

Kings perimeter defense, even after all of these preseason and regular season meetings, just can't stop them.

Nor David Lee, he was the best big on the floor again in this matchup.

Thornton was supposed to be on Thompson/Rush. They were matched up based on position last night. Thornton though was too far off Klay. A lot of times he was hanging around the post when Thompson was at the 3 point line with the ball. He'd also do what Tyreke does (leave his man open to double someone that doesn't need the help).

The defense is just a disaster, and I'm dumbfounded that the team has fallen off so much rebounding. The past couple seasons, rebounding was a bright spot, but now its not. If Cousins isn't grabbing the board, chances are nobody is. JT has his nights but overall they should dominate the boards against teams like the Warriors, but they really don't.

[bloatedmaniac]

First off, if you don't preach defense..it's a by-product of what we see on the floor. That was the number one reason, Golden State did not bring back Smart in the first place. Smart's ethos is outscoring the other team and gambling on defense. That philosophy won't get you anywhere past medicore in the NBA. All of the good/great teams have solid consisitent defense. Smart will have one year for the team to buy into playing tough defense for 48 minutes. Not 3 minutes a game, hoping to claw you're way to a victory.

I agree. All I've heard from Smart is running the basketball, and trying to rush out on the break. I honestly never like 100% offense schemes. Even if you make the playoffs you don't do well, and its much easier for things to go wrong especially if you are a team without legit shooters. I like what the Nuggets try to do. They are focused on building strong defense, and using defensive rebounds/turnovers to push the break. They don't have a true star, and have a lot of role players but they play good defense and team basketball so they win.

[nuraman00]

I agree. All I've heard from Smart is running the basketball, and trying to rush out on the break. I honestly never like 100% offense schemes. Even if you make the playoffs you don't do well, and its much easier for things to go wrong especially if you are a team without legit shooters. I like what the Nuggets try to do. They are focused on building strong defense, and using defensive rebounds/turnovers to push the break. They don't have a true star, and have a lot of role players but they play good defense and team basketball so they win.

Denver is a good comparison. Both teams have younger players, but Denver does play better defense (even if they're 21st in DRTG) without much better defensive talent.